Half the success of Lemmy is not becoming the three ring circus of Reddit.
How long will it last? Idk. I’ve already seen people complaining about AI bots blowing up their instances with requests, mining for data. I’ve already heard complaints of bots manipulating votes on certain subs and accounts.
If that gets worse, Lemmy gets worse.
But for the time being, we’re mostly just a large community of terminally online nerds doing our things and sharing amongst one another, which is what Reddit was supposed to be about.
Decentralized control is probably the biggest asset we have to fight back against these issues. Each instance host has motivation to keep their community in the best shape possible, for users and visitors.
If one instance is having struggles, you can migrate to another - and instance hosts could share tactics and information about the process of management.
Decentralization is more adaptable and brings resilience.
It is easier to compromise one instance, but it is a lot harder to compromise all of them. Meanwhile for centralized social media, if the one is compromised all is compromised.
As evident with the owner of X trying to pressure Steve Huffman to burn down Reddit as well.
terminally online nerds
I am offended and in agreement
We might eventually have to get more exclusive, or have separate “public” and “private” modes/communities, maybe like how masto handles post visibility…
I’m not sure if the open internet can ever be fully trusted, especially now with roving packs of predatory crawlers scraping for genuine human OC for their plagiarism machines.
Private communities will be in 1.0, along with some other visibility modes.
Legendary.
I doubt they’re crawling stuff over AP, you usually need a HTTP signature for that, and no bot is going to bother with those.
Most crawling would just be spamming the web interface.
If by HTTP signature you mean an SSL certificate signed by an authority, those do not present a burden for bots to obtain any longer.
I do not, ActivityPub uses HTTP signatures to make sure messages and requests from other servers are legit,
Essentially, it adds a “signature” header which contains a link to a users public key, a list of headers in the message and a signed hash of all the headers and the request.
There’s a better explaination here: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/security/
A delicated bot to scrape ActivityPub posts is possible, but generic bots shouldn’t work. If a delicated bot is made, people can block its keys or server anyway.
Sorry, forgot to whom I was speaking.
Signatures are only used to deliver activities to inboxes. The Activitypub json data of posts is usually available without any auth.
A lot of servers require signatures on GET requests as well, for private posts and to block specific people/servers.
Why mine for data when you can just set up your own instance?
To me, one of the really big issues with Reddit is moderators/admins on power trips who randomly ban users for no clear reason.
Sadly, this is very much an issue on Lemmy too. Just read a post about some dude who got banned from some community for downvoting the wrong post.
But at least you can always create a new account on a different instance.
why would they throw all those beans away?!
I have both Lemmy and reddit.
The front page on Lemmy changes every week.
On reddit it changes daily.
The only new posts I see best the end of the day on Lemmy are all in German.
Don’t get me wrong, Lemmy is great, but it’s got a LONG way to crawl to get to reddit’s level of success.
Reddit is people reposting stuff from Twitter, so what you are saying is that we need to repost more stuff from Twitter.
We do the EXACT same thing here already.
I remember being on reddit and complaining thr everything was political. And holy shit Lemmy is like 10x more political. Like, I get it, they are important issues. But I don’t wanna see it for every single post.
Oh, and let’s not forget thr .ml users…
I only have Lemmy but I consume way less social media since that’s all I have… Which is a good thing.
I don’t mind the fact that Lemmy changes at a slower pace. Gives me less to scroll through
I’m pretty sure I got shadow banned twice for just linking Lemmy?
AFAIK it’s mostly not Redditors themselves, but the system they’re stuck in.
While that’s true. I have seen neutral places where people were resistant on trying out Lemmy in the first place. I wish they saw the full value of this place but they said they “don’t care if it’s open-source, decentralized and has good third-party apps. I haven’t heard about it before! Everyone just uses Reddit”
At least I got one guy to check out Lemm.ee a few months back.
The main problem with Lemmy, is I see the same 20-50 posts for 3-4 days until there is a new front page…
I fucking hate Reddit, but the front-page is always fresh, so I always end up going back…
Sorting by top day and hiding read posts gives me more than enough “fresh content.” If you’re craving more, maybe that’s just the Reddit addiction.
Nah, Reddit front pages didn’t few fresh since 2021 for me, and recently it became worse by the bots posting the same post i saw 5-10 days early again.
I find there is new content but so often a lot of it is US politics based. Some other stuff does exist but its hard to filter out the stuff I don’t care about at times.
Sure I can subscribe to other communities, but finding them can be difficult and searching for all is swamped by Trump and Musk.
It helps if you block all those communities you don’t care about. Or even block some instances.
Sometimes you don’t want to completely block them though, just see something else right now
Bit of a community question on the OP theme:
I see a lot of yard-sticking with Reddit, and frequent comparisons are 1) more of Reddit should migrate here and 2) not enough content is generated in Lemmy. These are both confusing to me. Anyone else?
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Reddit is a cesspool. Its users are often toxic. Administration and moderation is burdensome. With self-hosted and decentral-hosted Lemmy instances, why would we want more of Reddit to come here? Other than the philosopher king meme, I don’t feel the urge to bring R. communities and users to L. Separation is good, no?
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Content follows users. Users follow content. Lemmy has less content. Fewer social games and participants who are seeking a dopamine relationship with the internet. If you come to Lemmy seeking dopamine fandom, you will be disappointed (narwhal bacon and my axe this amirite lol). That shite is generally absent, and users aren’t constantly jerking themselves off to get a spicy comment in for votes. This is good, no?
I guess I don’t understand the attraction to Reddit, or the urge to think of Lemmy as a replacement. It is similar, but shouldn’t it be different? If it isn’t different, defederated or no, won’t it eventually slide into toxicity? I understand why people like things about Reddit, but… There’s Reddit for that. This doesn’t have to be that.
Thinking of two groceries: one is a little odd spot that is run by an eclectic family, has some stuff you want, some odd German snacks you don’t understand. It’s cool, but it doesn’t have everything.
The other is a giant stucco nightmare warehouse that mostly sells deep fried heroin and also ten extremely useful things. It’s run by absolute creeps, and the customers are standing uncomfortably close, and being uncomfortably irritating. Maybe one of them is waiting to follow you home because they didn’t like what you bought.
Does the community want to put a sign out front to woo those people over? Does Lemmy perish without them? I’m relatively new here, but my own answer to both is no. IMO, Lemmy does not need to be an engagement addiction machine, and the people who want that might just really be wanting Reddit deep down.
Sorry for the diatribe! I tend to like that it’s kinda sleepy here and often more authentic. I like seeing what Germany is doing on a memie wemie from time to time. I’ve got other shit to do beyond my phone, and don’t want to have a pack of digital ultra nicotine with me at all times. Peace, homies.
A social network needs enough users to actually function. In the early days, Lemmy/kbin/associates were too quiet to be appealing, so there was a constant push to bring in new users. As this is a Reddit clone social network, inevitably that means hoping that Reddit users will come across.
I would argue that Lemmy et al is already at a high enough number of active users that there’s a basic critical mass; that there’s enough activity here such that a new user would find plenty to keep them engaged. It could certainly stand to be much bigger still, but the pressure to grow is much less intense.
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i dont quite know what it means, but lemm.ee is shutting down… so… successful ?
It’s shutting down, but the fediverse is healing around it. Piefed.social has seen a huge influx, and people are moving accounts slowly but surely.
Lemm.ee shutting down isn’t ideal from a service stand point, but it is showing how robust the fediverse is. It’s acting like the internet used to, routing around damage to continue to work. That’s amazing, and hopeful.
My Lemmy experience has been better than Reddit ever was, but that honestly sounds like cope. Vast swaths of people couldn’t even be bothered to figure out an instance to pick, now the few that bothered are having to migrate. I think this will be a big net loss for Lemmy.
I’d even say that this illustrates the success even more…
- lemm.ee shuts down, iirc, because it took too much time and effort to run the instance. Not really a sign of inactivity.
- the platform keeps going! The whole idea of a federated network works, as a single instance going down doesn’t impact other ones. As it happened before, see e.g. feddit.de.
So Lemmy as a whole is alive and healthy - and successful.
It’s alright https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45977837
Because of a lack of admins/mods not due to low users or money
I mean while yes it’s a tragedy. People have just moved to the other instances such as Piefed.social and Lemmy.zip.
