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This is fantastic news! Not because I actually give a shit about sticking with Discord after getting slapped in the face with this insulting age verification nonsense, but because Discord has basically no competition and 6 months will be plenty of time for a real contender to emerge in time for them to shoot themselves in the foot again.
I don’t think Discord actually appreciates how much market share is going to slip away from them in the next 6 months. They were probably better off going through with their clandestine spying plan now while some people might be complacent enough to just comply and provide their ID to get handed over to the fucking Feds.
I just signed up with Fluxer last night and chat with one of my old Discord friends. Fluxer is still very much in beta and under development, but seems to be a pretty promising open source clone of Discord.
Is fluxer as network f’ed up as Discord without the minimum democratic standard of human readable domains, or is it the slavery of dozens of undocumented raw IP addresses?
Honestly I have no idea yet, as I only heard of it and signed up last night. I am optimistic though…
What do you mean with that in regards to Discord?
Check DNS logs. Discord is proprietary undocumented garbage that connects to dozens of raw IP addresses that have no documentation, rhyme, or reasoning. You have no clue what or who is connected in that mess of garbage, or why they are there.
It is about like, I’m going to give you access to a phone, a special phone, it just works.
It is a prison phone. You are in prison when you use it… technically. But you don’t really “see” the “place”. The other inmates are all around you. They see you, but you don’t see them. Never mind that though, the phone just works. Lots of people love that phone. Nobody asks questions. Just use the phone and pay no attention to all the rest. It will be fine.
Business model? Viability? Never mind all of that. Don’t ask questions like that. The numbers do not add up in the slightest. That is the magic of prisons. Justice costs a lot, but it is worth it right. Magic phone is easy. Ask no questions. Expect no answers. Totally normal, everyone is doing it.
The whole thing is a mass of clueless zombie morons that ask no questions and have no idea who what or why they are connected to with all those raw IP addresses. They all give trust blindly without accountability or understanding.
As much as I like a lot of the discord alternatives out there I fear they will all eventually face the same fate. Decentralised or someone wrapping the signal protocol into a discord like client is probably the only way to avoid this again.
Well I mean Fluxer is open source and have self hosting options on their roadmap. 🤷♂️
Fluxer plans federation in the future, and its AGPL licensed.
However, it’s still in beta, and the backend’s ability to scale is currently unproven.
For something that’s more proven, we have Movim, which is already federated with the open standard XMPP protocol.
So when all your friends want to screenshare on somewhere else, they install Movim and then sign up on…
And then when they jump into chats, will they be able to search the room history and post memes (images)?
Yep :D
It has full searchable room history, can upload memes (gifs from either links like giphy or directly uploaded), images, video files (playable within the chat), and audio messages.
There’s also a built in paint-like thing that lets you draw directly into the chat, or annotate documents, pictures, or memes.
Oh man, when they get native mobile apps, I’m looking to switch my Mattermost server to Fluxer. I’ve had good luck with Mattermost, but its not truly OSS and its been moving features over to paid enterprise accounts so the time is soon.
Too late biiiiiiiiiitch we already had our exodus.
Where’d we go though? Which place with the streaming and chatting?
XMPP with their myriad of gnu-ified clients.
Which client is the multi-platform one with message history and streaming video?
Gajim is one. Dino is another (I think). You just need to make sure the client has Jingle compatability (xmpp plugin) for streaming video. A lot let you connect to multiple.xmpp servers
dino all dayyyyyy baybayyyyy
cheogram on Android
The only problem I see are my non-techie friends aren’t used to the skype style calling anymore. They want a voice channel that is persistent for dropping in and out
For someone not in, this comments sounds like a meme xD
If I jingle my dino I can connect to what?
No way it gets through “I can’t be arsed” of normies xD
Movim. Though due to how recent it was implemented, you must use a chromium based browser to stream the application’s audio too.
Matrix, can easily do the above.
Except audio on the screen share, it is my biggest issue with matrix currently.
Why? It works flawlessly for me. Are you self hosting? Are you on Wayland?
I’ve been using matrix.org, it doesn’t work with the desktop app on windows, & I use the element-desktop package from the arch extra repo, which also doesn’t work. I do use Wayland, as I am unable to run an x11 de for various reasons
Yeah then it’s a Wayland issue. Idk why Wayland is being pushed so hard by various distros despite it still not being ready.
I setup a Haven (Github) self-hosted instance and am slowly dragging friends over as the dev pumps out features. All the important stuff is already available, still more on the way. Also has things like E2E, which I don’t care about for my community/server, but it is nice to have.
How the heck have I not heard of this one yet? It already looks promising - I see video, chat, channel organization…
It’s one main dev, another doing android, and supporters (I myself have been firing off ideas, suggestions, and issue tickets, and trying to help other users). An electron desktop program is in the works too.
I’ve been using Matrix for about a decade. Federated, encrypted chats and rooms (optional), supports video, self hostable, fully open source.
I have too. It’s… Really not ready for primetime, based on present-day experiences watching rooms lurch into view (and I don’t even think it’s possible to search for them on Android). Has video at least gotten better?
“Too late” isn’t even relevant anyway, they’re still doing it, so everyone should still be leaving.
It’s nice in that it gives the various Discord competitors a longer period to work on getting their software spiffed up.
I’d argue its completely relevant as they are trying to save face here. Anyone who has somehow made it to 2026 without a hostile relationship to corporations (most red and blue team in America) will probably take this as a sign to come back for now.
Agreed; Discord is trying to lull people into a false sense of security as a means of convincing them to stay, in the same manner that Reddit gave limited API access to apps like RedReader to step the tide of users leaving for platforms like Lemmy.
Beyond age verification, if Discord is scanning a user’s messaging history to determine what their age is, one can only imagine all the other data valuable to data brokers that they are extracting from it too.
Delay all you want bitch i’m already gone.
I hope they never recover. No ill will to the working level who would be impacted, but it needs to be clear to companies that this shit is TOXIC to your brand to even consider in 2026.
So this, but Discord.
This is SO GOOD
Oh, cool, I definitely trust them again. 🙄
That’s just gives Fluxer more time to prepare for the switch 👍
That’s what my community is doing. We’re going to move to Matrix just to be rid of Discord and then seeing what we want to do next.
Matrix seems to be filling the role of discord for me. I’ve noticed element’s client is lighter on system resources then discord
Programmers with thigh-high striped socks should still take one for the team and work on Fluxer. Seriously!
good because i heard there isnt a good alternative to discord.
Perfect 1:1 drop in hassle free replacement with the exact same feature set? No, there isn’t.
Viable alternatives that aren’t too bad to learn? There are many.
I agree, but one of my friends told me the above.
Matrix is pretty good due to e2ee.Matrix is cool but it is definitely not an alternative to discord. Also, matrix is a protocol and not a platform! Element for example, is based on matrix but element is NOT matrix. Anyways it is not ready for prime time unfortunately and the main instance matrix.org has, uhm, questionable privacy policies
I see, also nice detailed explanation.
fluxer is 95% a drop in. Its just dealing with stablity issues due to the massive influx of users.
Oooh. Thanks for the tip! I just tested it and it’s great, other than being slow which is understandable. Is it internet searchable? Or a walled garden?
I don’t know if any of them aren’t walled gardens. Everybody seems to be taking their design cues from Discord.
It would be nice to have a setting making the server public or private, and then search engines could crawl public servers (such as tech support groups).
Delays
not cancels, rolls back, stops or retracts. Delay is just doing something later than expected. This will not bring people back or change their minds.
Absolutely
Even if it was “cancel” that would just be a slightly longer delay.
As if I’m supposed to take them at their word?
Not bloody likely.
Has anybody tried fluxer yet?
Yes. It’s literally the only one for the options thats an actual replacement to discord. Not some half shit fucked project that everyone’s trying to shoe horn into being one. Or ran by idiots…
We have loads of alternatives, but no actual replacements other then fluxer.
There’s also the problem that the current trend of open source decentralized bullshit going on is well meaning and has their hearts in the right place. But are so out of touch with reality that unless your chugging the Kool aid you can’t in good faith say anything is actually acceptable for normal users. Maybe in another 5 years and if somehow the foss community pulls some UX developers out of their collective asses. But that’s unlikely.
Even fluxer is months away from being ready for prime time. It needs more servers, better support for self hosting and just time. But it at least is actually trying to be a replacement and the developer behind it is actually targeting normal users. Not crack head foss people with no standards and more time then they know what to do with.
I love me a good over complicated poorly designed nightmare thats overly engineered as much as the next guy. And I do mean that legitimately. Tinkering is what I live for.
But fuck man… This is a problem that needs a solution that NORMAL USERS can just understand with no explanation. Which is something the foss community is famously unable to do with out a sacrifice of biblical proportions.
This gives us all more time to find a good alternative!!!
We still have to leave discord. But another months to to discard Discord will help. Remember don’t use anything that you can’t self hose, corporations are completely untrustworthy
Lol, already deleted my account.
They can get fucked.
Same here. Deleted and not going back.
Yep. Its wasn’t even a question
