Fuck ICE.
They can’t arrest us all
Who is responsible for this technology? oh, right… everyone
Targets for what??? Being brown? They need AI to confirm their racism? Was the old peter griffin white/not white chart not doing it for them anymore???
I think they need AI to blame for their racism.
(ah others were quicker)
They need AI to confirm their racism?
Not confirm, but justify. “Hey, it’s not me - it’s this little machine that says you’re subhuman. I’m just doing my job here, man.”
I’m sure that’s what it will be: proprietary and questionable algorithms to identify anyone that might not be a 3+ generation American of European origin.
And to shove justification off to a black box. Awful hard to put an algorithm on trial.
They’re gonna fall back on the algo being racist and not the storm troopers with the nazi tattoos, those guys are just doing what the AI tells them.
My thoughts were that now they can ID people tagged as “dissenters” to widen the net.
You can’t be called a racist if a machine decides it for you, same as if a drone does the killing, it mean you can’t get convicted for murder even if you hit button to fire
/s
Hmmm… no. The defense “the machine decided” and “but the drone does the killing” will not fly in any sane system (which exclude the US).
Someone decided to use the machine|drone, this someone is responsible.I would like to clarify that ‘/s’ means sarcasm and is no way a serious response, I understand not everyone is terminally online
Not a problem, really. They wear masks? So do I.
Exactly.
Beating facial recognition is simple.
I’m no expert, but I was under the impression that their tools use not only facial recognition that can (with a non-perfect record) identify people wearing nose and below masks, but also identifies based on cell phone and geographic data. So if someone plans on relying on beating facial recognition, they’ll need to also beat the other tools in use by wearing a full mask, not carry a cell phone, etc.
Which is why they’re making masks illegal in a bunch of places. So bring on the juggalo face paint!
A very valid suggestion!
Time to carry portable EMPs
… uhhh how do I make one?
You don’t need a portable EMP.
All you need is basic KN95 mask and a hoodie. Or you can invest in sunglasses or ID-blocking eyeglasses, like IDGuard from Zenni.
You should have a KN95 on anyway if you’re going out among people.
You should know facial recognition software is optimized to defeat KN95 masks specifically
Do you have a reliable link to show this? I’m asking not to challenge or sealion, but because I’d like to know the limits of what you’re referring to for my own safety and privacy.
Thanks. I think that’s enough to see where you’re going. It’s on me to find better evidence, so I looked and it looks like a 2020 NIST report suggests masks increase the failure rate in 89 tested algorithms from 0.3% to 5-50%.
That failure rate is enough to give plausible deniability and reasonable doubt in a court, I’d wager. But I’m sure ICE sees a higher failure rate a feature since it likely gives them more pretexts to arrest. At least we know the technology isn’t reliable enough to support it.
Then wear a cloth one with a pattern on it.
This isn’t difficult.
That won’t work either and it’s very difficult as a matter of fact.
Agreed that there’s no perfect solution.
But one can, and should, make it harder, and if your head, eyes, and face are covered (which is exceedingly easy and inexpensive to do with a ball cap, sunglasses, and a face mask) it’s going to beat all but the best systems.
What do you think what you posted even means? covering most of what it is using to identify is already going to make it drastically more difficult to match
Not really. It’s trivial to match your face. If you use an iPhone with FaceID it won’t miss a beat. You have to cover your full face, head, and eyes.
The problem with this is that the idea of “KN95 and a hoodie” is that you’d still reasonably blend in. By the time you reach the point t of covering every identified part of your head, you’d also stick out like a sore thumb which doesn’t help you when the camera surveilling you is attached to the face of an ICE agent looking specifically in your direction.
The IR blocking glasses won’t help with normal CV though, right? If you wear those glasses and try to unlock your iPhone, it won’t work because the IR array can’t read the facial features behind the glasses, but if you take a photo of yourself with said iPhone, they will appear as normal glasses
It’ll use AI and even if you have your passport and birth certificate on you, proving they’re wrong, you’ll be in El Salvador before you can plead your case.
USA is going nowhere
Disagree. What’s further than hell?
Nah they are going to El Salvador.
i think that’s already the case
For real.
Everyone should be wearing a Luigi mask anyway.
Like in V for Vendetta, but Saint Luigi instead.
Look hard enough, or message the sellers and you can get Luigi.
Notably the risks aren’t simply that this will identify the undocumented its that it will provide a pretext to disappear almost anyone who isn’t white.
The question is does any given non-white person look enough like one of over 10M people to get falsely flagged given agents a pretext to remove almost anyone they stop. Facial recognition of one person against a large enough database will almost always provide at least on possible match this is especially true if it matches against possible aliens and not against possibly aliens and citizens. EG a query of both will likely turn up Betty Sue Smith is herself and maybe a possible match with Known Deportable but a search against only aliens may return only Known Deportable with agents dismissing any claim by Betty that her ID must be fake.
it will provide a pretext to disappear almost anyone who isn’t white.
Pretty sure you don’t need a.i. glasses to figure out what colour someone is.
You use AI glasses which claim to identify aliens because you can use its constant false positives to pretend to be following the law.
No but you can say “The AI told me to detain them” and not take any responsibility. “I was just answering orders” is sadly too common of an excuse in doing the worst possible things…
Time to get your Insane Clown Posse makeup working.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
I was thinking more Jokerz, but honestly ICP is cool by me. Not really my thing, but they’ve always been anti-fash and after Violent J’s daughter got into the furry fandom and formed an alliance, they’re solid in my book.
I think there was an article a while back about how juggalo makeup is actually very effective at blocking facial recognition
Always has been.
Cameras are THE tools for surveilance, and adding more everywhere has always had only one goal.
how convenient, the android zuckeborg has just deployed these glasses for those purposes.
Is this like how we planned to nuke the moon in the '50s to scare the Russians?
The American people should wear masks and sun glasses when out.
Head to toe body covering… wait…
Isn’t there some kind of weird reflective material that messes with it? Or is that just the stuff celebrities use so it crazily over excuses paparazzi pictures?
You guys have to install using fake mustaches/nose/glasses thing as a new trend… idk how do you call this
Groucho glasses.
