We need more cloud services.
It’s funny, because I’ve heard a variety of reasons why the outage happened, why it wasn’t caught in time, why it signaled a problem with hardware versus software or human error versus automation.
I think its safe to say the company is increasingly over-managed and under-staffed, no matter how you slice it. Maybe its time to just break the mega-corp up already and let some good old fashioned free market competition fix this mess.
Amazon just did more layoffs today.
some good old fashioned free market competition
This kills the billionare
We need to democratize the internet again, every generation there’s a ma bell pretending they own the internet. Current Gen is Google, AWS, Azure and the like, with ISPs just making sure they get their cut.
I don’t have an issue with these services existing, but in such a way that everything depends on a couple companies? Dangerous for everyone.
We also need more individuals paying for “business” Internet connections at home. We need self-hosters to be able to feel comfortable running public services from their homes. And so we need a set of practices and recipes to follow, so a self-hoster can feel confident that, if one thing gets broken into, the other few dozen things they’re hosting will stay safe.
The “family nerd” hosting things for the family needs to be a thing again. Sorry, friends, I know family tech support sucks. It’ll suck so much more when it’s a web site down and nobody can reach their kid’s softball team page, and there’s a game next weekend, etc. But we’ve seen what happens when we abdicate our responsibilities and let for-profit companies handle it for us.
(I wish so hard that I had a solution ready, a corporate LAN in a box, that someone can just install and use. I’m working on something, but I’m pretty sure I over-complicated it. It doesn’t need to be Fort Knox, it just needs to be pretty good. And I suck at ops stuff.)
Homes should come with a static IP address.
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Maybe with symmetric fiber and if the electricity prices lower I’ll go back to that. Before the advent of convenient and cheap providers we had ou webservers, irc servers and some game servers at home… but the cost of that and the additional maintenance nightmare makes that less desirable than having OVH doing it all for me…
Tell me more about your thing!
I’m working on a decentralised sharing protocol, and I’d love getting likeminded people together.
We need more self hosted services
Aren’t those even less reliable? I participated on MetaFilter for a long time, a website running on a server in a guy’s closet. It was up and down, up and down. It became the bane of his existence. It was slow. I’ve heard other similar stories over the years.
So I’m genuinely curious - how would this solve anything?
I think they are saying they would rather depend on software and hardware that they can more or less control rather than cloud services
We need to put Amazon in the cloud.
Cuz, you know, the cloud never goes down 👎. /s
Reminder to everyone, if you aren’t necessarily worried about uptime too much, and have a spare device at home, you can host personal websites and various services that might be useful for yourself or friends and family. To keep it simple, all you would really need is
- an up-to-date router that isn’t end-of-life
- a firewall that geo blocks traffic from outside your country and blocks all ports except 80 and 443
- port forwarding 80 and 443 to your device
- setup dynamic dns service (some routers can handle this)
- a domain name
Keep your device and router updated and reboot it every once in a while to load the updated kernel. Then just install some web server software or whatever on your device and point your domain to it.
Together, we can decentralize the web a little bit 🙂
As a novice DON’T put your devices on the open Internet. Use something like tailscale or Splittunnel. You can give your friends access through that.
Thats why I suggested an up-to-date router that isn’t end-of-life. If you keep your router firmware updated, your firewall on, and your “server” updated, then you are as protected as any VPS that has ever been deployed.
Tailscale is centralized and prevents you from accessing your devices if it goes down, which is what the OP points out. If we want some decentralization, we can configure our current equipment to do so. Its not so difficult if you spend some time reading your router’s documentation and keep everything behind it updated. NAT firewalls are pretty good at keeping bad things out.
You are likely to get away with this if your website gets little traffic.
But to much and your ISP is likely to tell you to knock it off, or just close your subscription.
If they’re not actively blocking ports 80 and 443, then its pretty clear they are allowing their users to host websites (unless their terms of service specifically say don’t host websites)
Any good guide to set this up?
It will totally depend on the equipment you plan on using, but in general, your router’s manual/documentation should say whether it supports Dynamic DNS, how to configure your firewall, and how to enable port forwarding.
From there, your device’s operating system should have documentation on how to perform maintenance, and the web server software you plan on using should have guides on how to get it running on your OS of choice.
For example: If you want to host some websites on your device (or just want a nice web-based control panel for your “server”), do a fresh install of Debian 12 and then install something like Virtualmin or HestiaCP. Those two include various web apps that are easy to install and run with a few clicks, like a Wordpress or something.
What kind of services?
I’m having trouble imagining what’s possible and worth hosting for friends and family.
