If the Chinese killed them, it’s relevant to a discussion about China. If the US killed them, it’s not relevant unless it caused some reaction within China.

You cannot engage about the rightness/ wrongness of Chinese domestic policy without stopping to bash the United States. That is Whataboutism.

Perhaps your goal is really just to point out America’s hypocrisy, but you certainly go out of your way defending China’s actions if that is your goal.

When I Google search for bias in AP’s coverage of Israel-Palestine, all of the sites I encounter claim they have highlighted harm to the Palestinians more than threats to the Israelis. I feel like this isn’t what you’re talking about though? This level of bias (highlighting the concerns of one side over another) is still substantially less egregious than what you are accusing them of: just getting facts blatantly wrong/ opposite of the truth in Xinjiang.

Look, without speaking Mandarin, traveling to Xinjiang, and having access to all the sites in question, I can’t really know what’s happening there. The best any outsiders can do is try to study through the sources available and pick out who we trust.

I trust the AP. As an organization, they trade on their reputation for quality and unbiased coverage. When I read pieces by them of extremely controversial events in the US, they give only facts. I am absolutely going to trust them more then an unsigned document, hosted by a site I don’t know, that largely engages in character assassination of names I don’t even recognize.

I think planning and posturing for their attack on Taiwan can still be counted as military adventurism.

The AP is about as unbiased as you can get: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764C

And Lemmy is also full of propaganda. That commenter didn’t even cite a source.

Your entire response is just Whataboutism. You’re still simping for the man, just the Chinese man instead of the American one.

Not when their friends in The Philippines or Israel are doing it.

In truth I don’t know anything about the government in the Philippines right now; if they are running camps then there is a shameful lack of media coverage about it.

But vastly more people in the US are horrified by the plight of the Palestinians than that of the Uyghurs, primarily because they feel at least indirectly responsible for it. But the people calling out the mistreatment of the Uyghurs aren’t silent about the Palestinians.

As far as the Chinese posture towards Taiwan, we have intelligence and data documenting their military buildup for at least a decade. They are building amphibious assault ships (https://youtu.be/DtrGMsGsZiU) and verbally making public statements about reunification.

I don’t think we should expect China to do a bunch of random piddle-farting around with arbitrary bombing like US policy under Trump. Mainly because that is not at all what their consolidation of authority in Hong Kong looked like, but also because they’re not fucking dumbasses like Trump.

How are these two policies equivalent?

I’m arguing against the premise of making the argument based on equating the two countries. The circumstances/ policies don’t have to be different or the same to evaluate them.

Also, your assertion of what the Chinese government is doing in Xinjiang might well be true, but what people/ the West take issue with is the rounding up of dissidents, sending them to reeducation camps, and forcibly sterilizing some of them.

On what planet is policing your own sovereign >territory against domestic insurgency “military >adventurism”?

As far as the Chinese government goes, this part refers to taking Taiwan by force. Literally only the Chinese government would refer to Taiwan as their ‘sovereign territory’.

Your logic is shit.

Everyone is agreeing with your bashing of the US, which is fine, I agree with that part.

But just because the United States is creating/ allowing internment camps and death camps doesn’t mean it’s okay for the Chinese to do it to the Uygurs. Just because the US is stupidly throwing our military weight around doesn’t make it okay for China to do it, especially not to own of the highest rated democracies in the world.

Is your premise that suppression of minorities and military adventurism is par for the course so there’s no use criticizing it?

Agree that the problems predate social media. Also agree with your assessment of the courts and insider palm greasing. To the dumbing down of the populace: there has always been an undercurrent of conservative white people trying to maintain the county’s wealth and power for themselves.

But this:

widespread ridiculous amounts of Nationalism >switching of people’s critical thinking about their >country and the purposeful stupidification of the >populace

Was made infinitely worse by the media environment post-9/11. Since at least 2005, it has been apparent that there was an intentional effort to sell conflicting versions of events to the people so that they could not discern what was true. Yes, all of the American media at the time contributed to the garbage decision to go into Iraq. Initially though, the worst of the confusion of facts was largely driven by Rupert Murdoch-owned Fox News. All of the Internet has greatly exacerbated this since then, and it has been asymptotic post-2020.

Yes, American culture has (always?) been narcissistic and obnoxiously self-aggrandizing. But America had been a gigantic population of wealthy consumers for decades. So it draws all the avaristic psychopaths from around the world like moths to a flame. Are the local people to blame for the machinations of Rupert Murdoch, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk? Saudi Arabian and Russian wealth underwrote Musk’s acquisition of Twitter, even if you count him as one of “the local people”. To the headless beast that is social media now, you have Russia contributing millions of dollars via Tenet Media in the 2024 campaign.

Obviously there are plenty of American bad actors in this stew of billionaire-owned manipulative media, but most of them act with an agenda that does not involve ripping the country apart.

The US has had centuries of the conservative white majority consistently trying to suppress the vote of minorities and the youth. Hundreds of thousands of voters were purged from the voter rolls shortly before the 2024 elections, with a majority of those purged being minorities. Sauce: https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

Many conservative states put fewer polling locations in poor communities. They block measures to make voting easier like same day registration and vote by mail.

Stop demonizing people that have been systematically disempowered. The Republicans in the Senate are about to shut down all other business in an attempt to strip married women of the right to vote.

The local people are to blame, but they’ve been influenced by decades of foreign-backed media/ propaganda and ideologues. Yes, some of it is due to the selfishness and greed of American culture - at every level - but the collapse is due to a confluence of multiple factors. And a non-trivial factor has been the influence of foreign propaganda and henchmen (it’s not just Donald Trump that is beholden to Russia/ Israel).

“The honor of taking Cuba” sounds like an old man talking about a young girl he’s about to rape.

I’m not advocating it. They just seem removed enough from the hot conflicts at the moment to weather the coming moment. If the discussion about this being a plunder move targeting China’s oil supply plans out and/or they move on Taiwan, I guess that could change.

Generally agree, but if China plays their hand well, they could do alright/ lead the following century.

While I agree that Reddit is awash in (multiple) state propaganda, and that posting violent rhetoric, or even sympathy for it, there is likely to put you on a list (or multiple), I don’t think Reddit users really trust it’s that safe. In the last year and a half, since Luigi, there has been huge amounts of bitterness over the censorship of content and strict banning policies. People have discussed, and followed through on, leaving in droves. Huge amounts of old content are no longer available because people scrubbed their post history on the way out.

If the current discourse doesn’t reflect that, I would suggest it’s because :

1. the real people still there remain to discuss uncontroversial niche topics
2. political discussion there is largely driven by bots and paid actors now

You’re asking for non-Americans to observe nuance that isn’t relevant to them.

As Americans who despise Trump and have spoken and voted again him for more than a decade now, we will still be collateral damage if war broke out and they dropped bombs on American cities. Some amount of our economic activity still benefits the billionaire donors keeping MAGA in power, and any economic sanctions or boycotts they might impose to hurt MAGA will still hurt us. If we get into a shooting was with them, they will not stop to check the voting history of the soldiers they encounter. That’s how conflicts go.

They have no jurisdiction over you to treat you as an individual, or as anything other than an American citizen. And if they cared too much about hurting you, they couldn’t do what was necessary to opposed MAGA anyway.

Trump just proposed increasing the defense budget from $900 billion in 2026 to $1.5 trillion in 2027. So, I expect you’re correct.