This is just how businesses work. Thats absolutely the plan.

Conspiracies are outlandish. What you described is fact.

Because companies destroyed actual search engines in the race for billions of dollars.

Kagi, searx are fricken awesome and much like the web in mid 2000s before corporations destroyed it.

Yes! Let’s make it permanent next time.

Yeah probably. Still not good for new people or interns etc. People believe what it tells them.

I can see it helping in some ways, but for the example you gave id rather talk to an actual human. Its very strange to me to feed my thoughts into a datcenter so it can predict what I want to hear.

I can see that. I still would be a little cautious of any artist using “ai tools” to fix their mixes.

It soon balloons into “we’ll, the ai can do better guitar parts so have it do it all” and no one knows the difference.

Ok sure, bands with no clean vocals likely wouldnt need it, obviously. there would be no need.

There’s still likely a ton of editing in their songs, but thats not really what im talking about.

I love bandcamp, use it daily!

Yeah people arent really understanding how prolific autotune/pitch correction is. They think their niche bands arent using it. Well sorry to say, they are. You just have no idea. I work with producers and engineers and have done it myself, and ive seen how its used.

Was just showing how the same comparison will be used with ai tools in a few years, and people will be having this exact same argument over the fact that “hey, its fine that band actually used ai for all their drums because their drummer is bad!” There truly is nothing new under the sun :)

In the end though, I care about the artist so even if somehow I did like an ai song (ew) I wouldn’t listen to it if i knew it was fake.

You are the embodiment of a person in 20 years saying no band they listen to uses ai. But you have no idea, and neither would future person. Unless you’ve been there for every recording and mixing session for these bands ?

No one is seeming to get my point. Autotune/melodyne/pitch correction (semantics) is SO transparent now, you really dont know unless you engineered the track. Ai usage is/will be the same, untraceable.

In many ways they are similar. Im not referring to auto tune being used in a creative sense. But auto tune (antares) was used to fix vocals often, now its melodyne etc.

I think a lot of people say that because they already know its an ai sound generation (really, its not music). But if they didnt know it and a friend showed a song to them, I doubt most people would notice. Audio is the easiest thing to emulate, takes very little power.

Its used in punk bands as well. i can assure you. Even if its home-recorded.

Wasn’t gatekeeping at all. Merely stating that that is the only way you truly know the music is completely authentic (if you care about that, most dont).

So youre absolutely sure the artists you listen to arent using any form of pitch correction?

Are they all recording directly to 24 track 2" tape and then cut to vinyl directly as well? Because thats the only way you can be certain (thats negating an outboard vocal tuner, which could be in the signal chain).

The point here is, you have no idea. Just like many will have no idea they are listening to machine generated music and it wont be given a second thought. Its just kind of gross to me.

Right, thats what im saying. Its already edited to death now, so the change to ai music won’t even be large, because everything is already quantized and pitch matched.

Its just a depressing dystopian future that the majority of humans will be listening to and enjoying music made by billionaires with data centers.

I can see this from that standpoint but I could never do that myself.

Kind of like if I liked an artist and it was proved they were a serial rapist. It would be very hard for me to listen to them again.

Solution looking for a problem.

Billionaires really hope this is their ticket to become trillionaires. Thats all it is.

Ill be honest, we are asked to use it at work, and ive actually given it a chance, and its helped me maybe 2% of the time. The rest of the time it wasted my time and gave totally wrong answers (which, since I have experience, I was able to recognize as wrong. A less experienced person would be duped, thus the danger.)

Not worth boiling our oceans while we give more money to billionaire scum. Also, embedded ads are coming soon so have fun with that.

Its great doing this! The only issue is I drive older cars so the phone is very nice in case of a breakdown ha

A dumb phone for calls only would be good for that. But youd have to preload it with phone numbers of tow companies and friends etc. Would be pretty easy…

I much prefer not having my phone on me. Humans forgot how to be bored and instantly turn to the little dopamine device at any chance

People get distracted so easily now.

Honestly every gathering should have people leave their phones in a locker at the door. Guarantee it’ll be more fun.

And its surface level impressive to stupid non tech people. Look under the hood and its a scam.