In the latest episode of “they will always sell you out” - they sold you out! Who would’ve thought.

Hoping for a good alternative client to appear, the writing is on the wall. Vaultwarden can’t exist without “leeching” off of Bitwarden.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 days ago

    This is why corporate promises can never be trusted, because a new CEO can change those promises on a whim.

    It’s part of why despite being interested in Beeper, I never signed up for it because I had questions about if those privacy promises they made would be kept if they sold to a bigger company… which they eventually did.

    On the plus side they already made an official open source self-hosted version, which can be forked and/or return to the community developed Vaultwarden roots.

    Meanwhile KeepassXC keeps on chugging along.

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      2 days ago

      FYI beeper is really just matrix with bridges. Once I realized that I set up my own and now I have the same functionalities as beeper, self hosted, with a choice of clients.

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        23 hours ago

        With one difference. After merging with text.com they switched to a model with on-device bridges so that the decryption on their servers is no longer needed. Ofc it’s similar if the matrix instance and the bridges run on the own server.

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        2 days ago

        Oh I was well aware at the time, but I had a lot of friends who still struggled with trying to use Matrix/Element so at the time I was seeking a simpler solution for them.

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          2 days ago

          How fucking stupid do you need to be to struggle with element do they struggle to use cups are they trying to do weird advanced features on an architecture I’ve never heard of with a compiler built themselves wtf

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            element was very buggy a few years ago. the new clients are just now starting to get feature parity, and in my experience calls are still quite unstable, requiring your server to have some specific additional setup (which most public registration instances don’t have), besides that not a lot of clients have implemented yet MatrixRTC calls. even the client list on matrix.org is only showing whether a client supports the former calling system.

            so for the layman it’s definitely not production ready yet. and even for new tech literate users some of the things are still challenging to figure out.

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            2 days ago

            Wow, usually people lose their shit and complain that Element is too complex and that me and the devs are being assholes asking them to use it… You know kind of like all the people here on the Fediverse who think we need to make it bigger and bring in everyone from everywhere and that the devs and users who defend them are awful for not focusing on user interface first and making it less confusing to choose a server…

            Anyway, thanks for being on team reasonable, because I’m with you on this 100%, but I can’t change how little people want to learn anything sadly so I make compromises with people who cant or wont learn how to do things. It sucks, people really don’t seem to understand that security and convenience are a balance, and every time people argue for shit to be easier they’re actually arguing for everything to be less secure. You sacrifice security for convenience, every time, and the opposite happens because you can sacrifice convenience for increased security measures. Security has to be complex by nature to be effective, and the core of Matrix is being a secure, encrypted protocol, which they have already actually put a ton of work into making easier for fucking normies. Yet, it’s never enough for people. Always screams of “It’s too complex! I hate thinking!”

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                2 days ago

                lmao God I can feel the frustration rising in me just thinking about it. I know these are digital rather than physical objects… but do these people fail to have object permanence?