Taiwan has insisted it is a sovereign, independent nation, after US President Donald Trump cautioned it against formally declaring independence from China.
Where are the tankies telling us that Taiwan belongs to the glorious benevolent PRC and that the views of Taiwan’s people should be disregarded because they’re all evil imperialist Nazis (or whatever it is that tankies believe)? I guess they’re all circlejerking over on Lemmy.ml
Taiwan better find better allies ASAP until West Taiwan is free from the murderous CCP and PLA rule.
Trump is such an historic shame.
Those who rely on USA ,will end up like in Ukraine and Syrian Kurds!
taiwan still wont formally declare independence from China, it just cant.
Something I’m really not too sure of with regards to this topic, is whether Taiwan like… pays anything to China? Like does Taiwan send some kind of tax revenue or other ongoing annual payment type thing off to China, does it use any of China’s laws/regulations locally?
Like can’t the independence of a nation / area be objectively shown?
Nope, they don’t pay anything to China, and China doesn’t pay anything to them. They have separate tax offices, separate governments (and very different models of governing), separate militaries… which sadly look at each other though targeting devices.
You’re mixing up is and ought. It’s not about reality, it’s about demonstrating allegiance to a side by claiming is how they want it to be.
When people say “Taiwan is part of China”, they aren’t making the factual claim “Taiwan is an administrative subdivision of the Chinese state.”, but rather the moral claim “It would be good if China conquered Taiwan.”
In practical terms Taiwan is basically an independent country. Legally speaking China is in a civil Taiwan basically being a faction and a decades long ceasefire. However the length of the ceasefire, Taiwan being an island and having been a Japanese colony created a weird situation. As in a real question within Taiwan, if they are Chinese or Taiwanese and also what to do about China. However there is a pretty large majority, who do not want to have the Communist government run Taiwan in any way. So the status quo remains. Also Beijing threatens to invade, if Taipei ever calls itself not the Republic of China, but only the government of Taiwan.
Also a sizable contingent who don’t like the recent “invasion” by the KMT and would welcome being part of PRC. The farther south in Taiwan you go the more that sentiment grows, as the KMT settled in the north.
I’m all for this from Taiwan.
USA has forgotten what declaring independence means.
Trump is just repeating the last thing someone told him.
Who has the balls to suggest killing himself?
Remind me again. USA is… for democracy, right? Just checking.
They are for money.
Lol
You obviously know it but worth still saying this current admin and the Republican party certainly isn’t… Trump’s friendly with the dictators more than the traditional allies most of which are democracies USA used to have and he’s actively trying to end democracy at home.
For destroying countries
Yeah fuck Trump. Don’t listen to that shit stain, you do you Taiwan.
Taiwan #1
I fully believe China can just pay off Trump and invade Taiwan. If I was China I’d definitely do it while Trump is in office.
china has never talked about “invading” taiwan tho. You guys made up useless boogeyman
they may not want to do it because perception shifting to them being the more stable and trustworthy superpower especially in the eyes of developing countries while they’re actively doing the work of building relationships the USA has now abandoned benefits them immensely and their own special military operation would speak directly against that.
I’ve been saying since this whole Iran shit show started, if I was China, I would wait for inevitable US boots on the ground, and invade the week after.
It took only a few hours after Trump warned Taiwan not to try declaring independence…
…for the Taiwanese foreign ministry to remind that Taiwan is already independent.
Taiwanese President Lai Ching-te has previously stated that Taiwan does not need to declare formal independence because it already sees itself as a sovereign nation.
On Saturday, presidential spokesperson Karen Kuo said it was “self-evident” that Taiwan was “a sovereign, independent democratic country”.
She added, however, that Taiwan was committed to maintaining the status quo with China - in which Taiwan neither declares independence from China nor unites with it.
Many Taiwanese consider themselves to be part of a separate nation, though most are in favour of maintaining their current status.
As for the actual consequences: in the best case, nothing changes and maybe the US will get a new president soon. Because explaining the depth of the US-Taiwan interdependence to the current president is clearly a too big job.
The US is a client state of Taiwan just as much as Taiwan is a client state of the US. If one gets in trouble, the other also gets in trouble. Actually, most of the world gets in trouble in case of Taiwan, so everyone who needs a device with some CPU or memory has a vested interest in nothing whatsovever happening with regard to Taiwan. And this probably even includes people in mainland China, although I think they can reasonably claim to be almost independent of Taiwan. :) I certainly cannot, I honestly declare considerable dependence on Taiwan. :)
If the US gets a new president soon, it’ll be Vance, another corrupt shitstain.
Too soon. I believe China’s plan is to cripple Western chip production, but first they need to establish proper domestical chip production so TSMC suddenly going boom isn’t going to cause them economic and technology devastation
EDIT: I remember reading something about TSMC having built in a kill-switch in case of an occupation
I also believe people underestimate the consequences of this war. TSMC produces 70% of the world’s chips. We already have shortages. All of the world would feel it much more than Ukraine war.
Let’s add some depth here though. Taiwan/ROC (the country with the demcratic government) produces a majority f the high complexity computer chips, but China/PRC (the Unitary Communist country) produces the majority of low complexity chips, and does not produce any sgnficant quantity oh high complexity chips.
That said, as the Americans trued to squeeze the PRC on the chips topc, they have moved to being much more self-sustained on chips, and im the near future will not be iverly impacted if ROC chip production goes haywire. The PRC have made it their strategc goal to no longer be bullied on Petroleum, nor Technology, and are dumping money into operations to support that strategy.
When the PRC sees the right circumstances they will assume control of the ROC islands, regardless of TSMC self-destructs.
multiparty elections doesnt mean democracy. Single communist party led state doesnt mean totalitarian
Ahh yes, the communist capitalist socialist party of China’s Republic.
The siuation for the rest of the world is the same either way.
China (and allies eg. Russia) get chips and the rest of the world (eg. Ukraine) have to live whith whatever taiwanese refugees can ramp up over decades in which country they decide is safe enough to flee to
Korea, Japan and the US all produce a good number of chips as well. There are also some other fabs in other countries.
It took only a few hours after Trump warned Taiwan not to try declaring independence…
It’s been standing US policy going back to the Nixon Administration not to recognize Taiwanese independence.
You can’t lay this shitbird at Trump’s feet. Go blame Eisenhower for his choice of VP.
Yeah nothing current can be blamed on this orange turd. If it wasn’t for the ones that came before him you would be part of the UK and who knows trump would have been some sort of assistant to the king. Grow the fuck up and own the fact that us has presently fucked the entire planet by voting for these shitbirds twice.
Yeah nothing current can be blamed on this orange turd.
There’s plenty to blame him for. Iran is a great example. Trump pulled a trigger that no other president was willing to touch, going on 47 years.
But the policy he’s stating wrt Taiwan is the exact same policy we’ve been operating under since before he was born.
Grow the fuck up
“The adults in the room” crowd has been shitting the bed since Reagan. I cannot imagine a bigger tell that your foreign policy is shit than “My policies are mature and yours are for babies”.
Particularly when the policies would accelerate yet another armed conflict.
