TL;DR: Mozilla is killing localization on Support Mozilla, overwriting articles written by humans with machine generated translations. Although Mozilla knows that their AI doesn’t localize or adhere to style guides, Mozilla is going live with it anyway. I thank locale leaders and localizers for their tireless efforts. Locale leaders seem to be obviated by AI, and Mozilla has nothing to say about it.

  • tyler@programming.dev
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    17 days ago

    Anytime I see an anti-mozilla article, it’s abundantly clear that it’s an astroturfing campaign to make Firefox look bad. You NEVER see these articles about chrome, brave, opera, etc which are all much much worse.

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      17 days ago

      Eh, I’m not about to stop using Firefox, but the complaint is valid. They nuked a bunch of work from volunteers without notice in favor of shitty auto translate.

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      17 days ago

      I’d say that’s because here on Lemmy, we already don’t give a fuck about and wouldn’t touch Chrome or Edge with a ten foot pole, but some of us trusted Mozzila, which is now starting to do dumb AI shit. And having your trust broken hurts.

      Astroturfing would not be recommending LibreWolf as an alternative.

      If you look into alternatives, Brave is one that’s usually mentioned but there’s always someone quickly posting all of the dumb shit they did.

    • Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      17 days ago

      If I had to post an article here for each time Chrome did something that worked against privacy, I would just repost Ggle’s changelogs. And they would not change.

      If we criticise Mozilla harshly enough, there’s a chance slightly higher than an snowball’s chance in hell to make them change.

      • tyler@programming.dev
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        16 days ago

        What dumb reasoning. Posting anti Mozilla articles only serves to push all of Firefox users to other even less used browsers. See the whole terms of service thing where someone posted an article just like this that was factually incorrect. Many users didn’t bother to research it and stopped using Firefox. Ff didn’t grow, it shrunk and with it every single downstream browser also will suffer because they’re forked from FF

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            15 days ago

            Yes, and I’m guessing what you wrote about was completely incorrect. Browsers must transfer the data, so any terms of service must cover those cases. Because people don’t understand stuff like this, posts exactly like yours get posted, people believe them, and then misinformation spreads like wildfire.

            Then people like me are still dealing with the misinformation months later because others didn’t take five minutes to think through what they were posting before they did so.

            I’m honestly incredibly sick of it, especially with Mozilla posts because it’s been misinformation numerous, numerous times. At this point if a post about Mozilla isn’t misinformation then I’m surprised.

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      17 days ago

      Yeah, I am astroturfing. It can’t be that I actually believed Mozilla when they said that localizers were heroic.

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      17 days ago

      Put it this way, I don’t trust a corpo browser and never have. 2008 or whenever it was that everyone switched to Chrome, I stayed with Firefox, which I’d been using for a few years already. I remember upgrading to Firefox 2.0.

      I’m interested when Firefox is pulling this shit and don’t give a fuck otherwise, because I already assume the others do this.

      Idk if we’ll ever get anything decent out of the Servo browser engine. That would be ideal IMO. Mozilla is starting to become part of the problem.

    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      17 days ago

      Almost all Microsoft KB articles are machine translated.
      Every time I open a reddit article from a search it attempts to auto-translate which immediately looks and reads very inhuman.

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      17 days ago

      What an odd comparison. What differentiates Mozilla from others is their close relationship with their community. Just read their manifest and you will see Immediately why they are getting flag for humiliating their own supporters.

    • Kilgore Trout@feddit.it
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      17 days ago

      But this is not about Firefox delelopment, but about community getting overthrown for apparently no reason.

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      14 days ago

      Its not astroturfing, it’s that people have expectations of them beyond just being a browser that let’s you access the web.

      Frankly its not that great of a browser (its serviceable. And I use it, or a derivative, pretty much exclusively); generally the reason you use it is because you care about abstract things like not supporting the chromium monopoly, or wanting to pick the project managed with the most care for how it will impact actual humans

      And Mozilla has been making kinda crummy choices with respects to those abstract values more and more regularly it feels like 😅

      Like I really wanna love and support Mozilla. I’m using their browser cause I think its the best choice by the metrics that are important to me. And more and more I just feel kinda exhausted and kinda frustrated with them 😅

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      14 days ago

      Dear Rust developer,

      Not every critique of a technology you like is “FUD”. In fact, crypto-bros and AI-bros also made the term “FUD” meaningless.

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      17 days ago

      This is bullshit. Brave literally have a webpage mentioning their shit. You are trying to gaslight us all.