Payment integrations with AI is NOT a good idea. I still remember a few years back a controversy that happened with Amazon’s Alexa. Apparently, alexa speakers started ordering people dollhouses after hearing its name on TV. Yes ik ik you can disable purchases from amazon from the alexa app but by default, it was enabled.
This article covers it all: https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/7/14200210/amazon-alexa-tech-news-anchor-order-dollhouse
This is the main part
At the end of the story, Anchor Jim Patton remarked: “I love the little girl, saying ‘Alexa ordered me a dollhouse,’” According to CW6 News, Echo owners who were watching the broadcast found that the remark triggered orders on their own devices.
Having Alexa automatically order stuff is really insane. Like it’s just going to buy stuff without checking the prices and and comparing products.
But I suppose it makes sense to Jeff Bezos who doesn’t care about the price of anything and has a human assistant that checks product reviews and such to make sure their boss gets a good product. So of course everyone will want to have a crappier version of what billionaires have and no one cares about the price of the things they buy, right?
This is awesome! I can’t wait to read the articles of how this goes wrong for dumbasses who use it. Should be fun!
totally going to happen. anyone who makes posts about how they got screwed should be met with laughter. nothing less. yes I’m saying blame the victim.
At this point the victim is also the perpetrator
I could not agree more. 5 years ago I would have been entirely against “blaming the victim” because there wasn’t that much information on how corporations were fucking everyone over, so only the paranoid (like some of us here) were already either taking action or looking into ways to take action.
However, today nobody has an excuse to keep getting fucked claiming “I didn’t know”. The information on all the bullshit these corporations pull on customers is more abundant than air, yet people choose to keep giving them money.
So, yeah, I’ll be LMAO watching this unfold.
there wasn’t that much information on how corporations were fucking everyone over,
I’m sorry, what? Did you think the entire genre of corporate dystopia fiction, like Brazil or Neuromancer, was just a fabrication ungrounded in reality for decades? It’s been open class war in the god damn streets.
I’m ashamed to admit that yes, I was one of those imbeciles.
A fool and their money is soon parted
Yes it do.
Chef’s kiss!
Who is more the fool? The fool, or the fool who follows the fool?
What could possibly go wrong?
Murphy’s coffin is vibrating.
Horny old bastard…
Things started getting bad when Visa started giving merchants your new card expiration dates. No longer can you rely on an expired card canceling a service or subscription.
Agree, but highly recommend checking out Privacy for temp cards.
I feel like it really started getting bad when Visa started canceling any payment processed via “illicit” (porn) means
Honestly it’s fucking evil. I had cards expire and thought, awesome, finally done with those subscriptions! Then I noticed I was still getting charged for them on my brand new card.
We’ve let them take our money, manage it for us, and now they’re turning around and saying “don’t worry, you’ll still get everything you need … Just turn over your finances and decisions to us”.
Fuck this
And that’s part of why I transferred over to privacy.com for all my online stuff. Every online website/service gets a dedicated card, with set limits and are easily deactivated.
Unfortunately, privacy.com only works in the united states. I’m unaware of any alternatives.
Revolut can create virtual and single-use cards. Some places don’t accept the single ones, but you can just create a new virtual card and deactivate it right away.
only accessible through a mobile app.
apparently currently they allow it, but as lots of bank apps deny operation to degoogled phones, phones with a replaced rom, and rooted phones, it has the risk of losing access to your money when they decide to implement those practices. normal banks have a website and offices where you can manage your finances.
I did the exact same after. Love that service.
No hidden fees… Because if you try to charge past that limit I set, it gets denied lol
Just call in and say your card was stolen. They’ll send you a new card with a different number. And auto payments on the card will all stop.
Not necessarily. Some companies with auto payments set have agreements with card companies and they roll with the change.
Can you not just… cancel the subscription?
Some of them not so easily, no. I had a subscription where I had to call and get forwarded twice over an hour to get someone who kept asking what they had to do to keep my service, dropping fees and halving my monthly rate for 6 months, etc. They make it really hard to cancel.
But, like, depending on the contract you have, stopping to pay doesn’t absolve you from it. They can just send the cost of the remainder of your term to collections if they want to. So figuring out how to cancel that subscription is kinda worth it.
Also, if you want your card provider to stop a certain merchant from getting payments, you can usually do that relatively easily.
Also also, I know that’s not always an option, but I just have almost no subscription I can’t cancel month-to-month (pretty much just phone, Internet, VPS, stuff I need long-term anyway).
Also, if you want your card provider to stop a certain merchant from getting payments, you can usually do that relatively easily.
That is becoming less “relatively easy” than it was even a few years ago. The CC companies are adding more steps than there once was.
Amazon utterly failed to drive up sales through the Alexa assistant, this is an assistant made by Amazon to shop in Amazon
What are the chances this will work on any platform by any merchant driven by a slop machine that gets stuff wrong 60% of the time?
oh it will “work”. I’ve seen tests of it in action.
it will work as in “an order will be made”
Is it the order you intended? were the shipping details submitted correctly? Who knows?? Try your luck and spin the wheel! Add some randomness to your online shopping. spice things up a bit!
I fucking love gambling
What the fuck
People must be so time poor that this seems a good idea. Having stuff arrive at the door that I didn’t know I wanted and balancing the books afterwards seem like new mystery experience awaiting.
That happened a lot before I retired from drinking
It’s all fun and games until ChatGPT orders you a truckload of rice.
Or a tungsten cube.
Honestly, if that was white rice, I probably would have settled for much more than 10 bags.
It sounds like the household requires quite a bit of rice, and white rice has a pretty decent shelf life even if not airtight or refrigerated
He took 23
What could possibly go wrong?
hope MC doesnt follow suit. would have to go back on the cash system then
They already have, read the article.
i did read it top to bottom
Visa’s biggest competitor, Mastercard, has also been introducing its own AI-shopping features to its payment network on a smaller scale.
Then you missed this part.
long as im not automatically opted in, it matters not much
This better not be an auto opt in scenario. This has the potential to fuck a lot of people out of money. This feature is stupid and shouldn’t be forced on anyone.
Have you ever thought of clicking links or asking questions?
It’s a pilot program now, but corporations commonly change policy and widely implement things as auto opt-in. My statement stands.
My statement stands.
Then you still haven’t read the article…
It’s about giving a chatbot you use your credit card authorization…
Not giving your credit card a chat or, however the fuck you think that would work.
Best of luck in your future misunderstandings
If the credit card company gives access to their account records to AI agents, that’s a vulnerability. Following tech news you see stories all the time of agents being tricked to go outside their parameters or give access to info they shouldn’t. All these companies are rolling out AI features prematurely because they are over-leveraged in AI investments that aren’t bringing returns fast enough for investors. I’m not saying the idea couldn’t have merit if rolled out properly, but we have all seen these companies rushing out half cooked products and pushing them on customers with auto opt in policies. Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc. Do you really trust Visa to do a better job at cyber security or be more cautious about integration and implementation that protects customers? I am not trying to spend hours on the phone fighting bull shit charges these sloppy AI agents “accidentally” purchased on my behalf or scammers tricked agents into making. AI Agents are getting tricked into sending password resets on accounts scammers don’t own all the time. I read the article, I understand the concept, I don’t trust these businesses to implement it responsibly. My comment was I don’t want auto opt in and I don’t see that as an uncommon outcome in the landscape.
I not only read the article, I read other publications on the subject. Visa gave ChatGPT access to the core security and transaction infrastructure of VisaNet itself. They say “the integration is designed with a layered, security-first approach where the AI agent never sees or stores a user’s raw credit card number.” I am very weary of this integration level because AI agent security is shit. Visa or any CC company could opt in all accounts to the program by default in their backend so anyone who links their Chat GPT account can seamlessly activate the features from Chat GPT’s side. What is stopping bad actors from opening Chat GPT accounts, stating to the AI agent they are me from one of a million data breaches, and tricking the AI agent to activating the Chat GPT credit integration for their Chat GPT account? Sure, they don’t get the credit card number but it’s still charging me. Scammers are already tricking AI agents to take over accounts from many other sites. I am not happy about the sloppy security protocols implemented by rushed AI integration and the way Visa is integrating this feature so deeply has me concerned - especially with so many companies doing auto opt-ins. The feature idea doesn’t seem awful if people want to use it. I just don’t want the ability to charge my credit card exposed to Chat GPT and from what I read I’m not convinced it isn’t. These companies are rolling out AI features too quickly to appease share holders itchy for returns and they aren’t being careful enough with security guard rails. I don’t want to spend my free time fighting charges I didn’t make.
We know this, but they’re gambling on current children to be raised in this world and not know any different.
Teach them different.
I’m soooo proud of the EU creating their own payment options. Might not be perfect, but at least it’s not this.
Aaaaand people trick it into paying with someone else’s info in 3…2…
More like the company. I have yet to hear of one user gaining access to another user’s session/info?
Instagram allowed account recovery without verification
Christ almighty I need language that can robustly and efficiently communicate the depths of my frustration with the lack of wisdom and thought behind this choice.
What could go wrong, I wonder

















