What Windows 11 pc exactly? 😎
People using Meta’s products are masochists.
“Yes, daddy, please violate my privacy even more and manipulate me into hating myself and making me addicted to your shit.”
Well most people dont have any other option since 100% of your friends and families are exclusively on WhatsApp , whatsapp had early mover advantage it was free and easy to use so now everyone just uses it
so did my-space
Social media and chat applications are different, better comparison would be Skype or MSN Messenger or AIM.
If your friends can not be arsed to install an app on their phone for you, I got some bad news.
Actually it’s not just friends ( we did shifted to telegram a while back ) most people where I am from use WhatsApp grand parents to grand parents to even some college official group ( yeah Ik )
My government and employers would not move away from WhatsApp, so, short of lobbying, I am forced to remain.
I’m not using it nor the Facebook Messenger app, but rather their messenger in the browser. Meta is an evil necessity in my country because the businesses I deal with are mostly active on Facebook, and almost all people are tethered to it, and I have to use a facade where I don’t have to give Zuck anything about myself.
It’s most definitely doing alot
The doing alot gets a lot done.
Alot of Doing is a very productive alot.
Without having read the article, lemme guess… Electron.
Maybe now that no-one can afford RAM these companies might get motivated to do something about that. Hell, I’d accept them just feeling shamed into not being the worst memory hog on your system at this point, over any altruistic reason.
See also: Discord and Slack, two other colossal wastes of space that use an order of magnitude more RAM than a native app would while running slower and providing absolutely zero other benefits.
Interestingly, in Microsoft’s Build Conference this year, they were pushing for “Native applications” again. This is probably two fold, one because RAM is getting so expensive we’ll probably start seeing 8GB laptops again, and two because AI will make something in whatever framework you tell it to, and has no problem maintaining separate code bases for each supported OS. Of course, that just means more tokens used as far as Microsoft is concerned, which is a win for them.
They don’t care if you can’t afford it. Data centers are buying them by the truckload.
OP was talking about the software companies, not the ram companies
my friend has 16gb of ram and he keeps hitting out-of-memory errors when he has like 5 apps open, because they’re all electron and they all take like 2gb each, it’s ridiculous
Your friend has disabled the swap file. Never a good idea.
To be honest I’d rather get OOM errors in my consumer OS than endless disk thrashing. At least mechanical drives were more resilient and you could hear the thrashing, as opposed to silent massive wear on your SSDs.
I run 32GB and I still run a swapfile. My ssd is still going after 3 years, but everything dies.
My SSDs are like ten to 15 years old, none are dead at this point. The cargo cult of swap files trashing everything.
I used to make use of a 64 GB RAM machine that still swapped like crazy, because I’m a shitty programmer (not really my field). I totally destroyed my SSD by swapping daily huge amounts of data, but the thing survived the whole process. Of course it died, but under normal circumstances I can’t see why people would be preoccupied for wearing their SSDs.
The worst part about electron is that there is no way for it to share resources like a browser. You have to oacjage the whole version together, when really should should have been more like a pwa. Instead you have 10 electron instances, running with 10x the respurce needs.
that’s why you just skip the middleman and run it in your browser instead.
Where you fucked up is installing and using WhatsApp to begin with. It’s been shit since meta bought it.
And Windows.
Exactly, if you’re still using windows in 2026, wtf are you even doing?!
I can’t imagine using anything under Meta’s control for personal communication.
Or they’re mining your data….?
The app is always lagging behind the web version too, it’s just not worthy it.
What do you mean, the app is the web version now
If that’s the case, why not just use webview, instead of packing a whole separate browser?
Obviously not aiming that at you op, but if someone has an insight on this, I’m curious.
Counterpoint: no, it’s not, because I’m not stupid enough to install it.
Or own a Windows PC!
Sadly, I have one that I need for some freelance work. But I don’t use it too much.
Born in the PWA it was.
(I figure this limits what it can scrape from any OS.)
I don’t know who is doing the testing, but they don’t know what they’re doing. 313MB
Look at mr moneybags over here
Fable is so expensive. I made a Blinko notes desktop app on Opencode last night using Minimax M3 and it would have cost me 3000usd if I was using Fable.
The screenshot is from my $300 HP Elite Desk 4. It doesn’t support Win11, but I installed it anyway.
Oh, you meant Claude. I use the free version to help me write automations and dashboards for Home Assistant. I have never given Anthropic a dime.
You cannot fish in lemmy as it’s a website. Thank you for your understanding.
Can I at least get my bait back?
Your setup, with Win11 and Claude is the bait.
Why Edge? (Still Chrome)
Why Claude?
WhatsApp depends on how much TEAM your PC has and what other software is running in order to change its cache. Maybe the tester/author has a lot of RAM and saw this “huge” usage.
Personally, if I bought 64GB of RAM, by god I’m going to use it!! Why buy lots of RAM and be stingy??
Just because you have RAM to give, doesn’t mean an app should use it. An app that is using way more than it typically uses often means the app has lost control in some way (a memory leak). An app that has lost control will usually have performance or other issues.
Apps can reserve RAM without using it. It is totally normal for apps to do this on every modern OS. Linux included. The amount of RAM reserved is not the same as the amount of RAM that app is using. And apps don’t have a strangle hold on R being reserved unless that RAM is actually in use. Windows will automatically take reserved RAM away from one app and give it to another app that is out of its reserve space. This is all very normal.
It’s something I’ve always done. I pick an app. ie: Firefox but then at some point I’ll go to the alternative to see if it has something I might have missed. This way I can evaluate it myself rather than rely on someone else’s bias. I’ve been using Edge for about 3 months now, and it really isn’t that bad. I’m going to try Brave next.
As I mentioned earlier, I use the free version of Claude to help me with automations and dashboards in Home Assistant. It really is an incredible tool.
I don’t know what that means. How much TEAM my PC has? You saw what Edge was using. This PC, which basically is a boy doing a man’s job, has 32GB of RAM. It runs all of my ‘ARR’ apps.
I just don’t see the issue with Whatsapp. It runs perfectly fine of my crappy HP I7 7700 PC.
Ohhh my bad, stupid swipe text corrected ram to team I guess…
Edge isn’t a bad browser as far as functionality goes, but far from secure. But it’s gotta I discovered vertical tabs while at work, so I added that extension in Firefox and now that’s native too.
Btw, my PC has 32gb of ram where WhatsApp is using 320MB.
Oh. OK well that’s good! Idk, maybe the tester left the PC running really long or just ran a bunch of convos to rack up RAM usage for the article
When I reported my Whatsapp was using 320MB it had been running for a week. The writer is just not that good when it comes to analyzing technology. He wants to trigger outrage, which it seems he has done.
This person fundamentally misunderstands RAM on Windows…
Apps reserve a portion of the total available memory. That memory is not necessarily in use. Memory not in use will still be available to other applications as soon as the system reallocates it when a given application needs more. Usually of you have more RAM, applications will reserve more of it. You can check a better explanation of your current memory usage in the windows resource monitor. You’ll see memory allocated, memory in use, and memory being used to cache data (which windows does to reduce disk reads and writes), as well as memory completely unallocated. Chrome can easily allocate 1/3 of your total available memory by the third tab, but that doesn’t mean chrome is actually using that much.
I mean it’s an electron app. Maybe the number is inflated, but it’s still a ton. The previous number he compared to (100mb) would be equally inflated, so it’s fair
Not too sure about the ‘doing nothing’ part.
True.
I have a Windows 11 PC with WhatsApp?
Wouldn’t Windows 11 be the worst app on your Windows 11 PC? 🤔
It’s probably just teams, right?
bitlocker and the encrypt without permission resulting in loss of all files still takes the cake for me
windows update boot loop is a close second
It’s all sharepoint under the hood.
Only for some file storage. The Teams app is a memory hog and hot garbage all on its own.
I was joking for sure. Most of M365 is a hodgepodge of Exchange and Sharepoint, including Teams. But that’s all server side, so doesn’t matter to the client. They could make a the clients not terrible even if the server is hot garbage.
Technically… Yes.
2nd after Windows.
