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Volkswagen of all people.
After this fuckup: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/Q8ZAV9/
They should be the last ones to deny anyone else using privacy preserving tools.
(Hint the player has multiple audio tracks, there is a dub in English)
Well if you need another reason to avoid the car company started by Nazis here it is.
Some Nazi downvoted you. Fucking Nazis.
Founded by Nazis, but abandoned during the war and revived by British army officer Ivan Hirst whom both saw the potential for turning it into a workshop and building new vehicles for the British occupation forces.
After the war it was used by REME (Corps of Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) to repair British army vehicles, and it was used to build new vehicles. It was handed over to West Germany in september 1949.
The company as we know it today therefore effectively has more British roots than Nazi ones.
Just another shitty company.
Holy crap I miss old times 2013 when nobody was even bothering and all bootloaders was unlocked by default no play integrity just do what u wanna do with ur own device
Well, a lot of apps didn’t work very well back then either. As in this case.
The apps that didn’t work well were not due to lack of lock-in.
The apps didn’t work well due to lack of maturity in the platform. This app is not failing because the OS is somehow ‘2013-like’, it is failing because Android app developers are going all-in on lock-in.
In this case it doesn’t seem to be related to lockin either.
What kind of apps were you using that didn’t work very well?
What? Shitloads.
Class action for unilaterally modifying the agreement about feature access after the fact and to the detriment of the consumer.
There’s about 1000 companies to sue for this already
OK…?
Sue ‘em all!
BORN TO SUE
CONSUMER RIGHTS IS A FUCK
鬼神 Sue Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD CEOS
How are all these governments and companies managing to enshitify everything? Yet, when it comes to real problems like world hunger, child poverty, and exploitation, no one even blinks an eye.
The thing nobody is willing to admit is if free food and shelter for everyone becomes a thing, the population would explode. Every system in nature needs a balance. Any organism, animal, living thing, humans included, will increase in population until the limit of resources is hit. We have no natural predators so our population is limited solely by the resources we have access to. Feeding everyone would actually increase the problem of trying to feed everyone.
Time is a resource, and in the modern world where near-full time parental involvement is assumed, it would effectively limit reproduction.
Matter of fact, it is entirely possible that is a significant part of why birthrates keep declining.
so what gives you the right to get all the food instead of the starving people?
They can make safety, fuel efficiency, usability, and comfort improvements AND enshittify things too! These are complicated machines.
No one makes short term profit off of solving world hunger, so it doesn’t get solved. 🙈
Decisions that nobody understands. What do they have to gain with this?
I dunno if this is a rhetorical game we play with ourselves in our heads but whether it’s or it isn’t, we know exactly why they are doing it and we have for many years.
Your car has an active cellular connection whether you pay to rent time on it or not and it transmits your location, an ID number, usage habits including driving controls, music preferences, and possibly keywords spoken while in or near the vehicle, to the manufacturer. They relay that data to the government who uses it to learn who you associate with and when and where, and they sell it to your insurance company who monitors you for risky behavior, and they also sell it to advertisers who also profile you to device what the best things to try and sell you will be.
Why would they let people in who don’t want to share their data? They can’t make money out of you. So they try to force an OS on you that has spying enabled by default. And if you don’t comply, then fuck you nerd.
Why does a car need an android app?
Infotaiment system. It integrates your audio library, your maps, contacts and other apps seamlessly. You get current traffic info, automatic updates and huge app library (for example CoMaps and many apps for public chargers). Integrated infotamiment system were left far behind years ago.
You get all that through android auto. The manufacturer app is for when you’re not in the car.
Oh, I thought we’re talking about android auto. If this is the specific car app it’s a different story, yes.
So you can buy a subscription for the soft locked features like remote start. And so they get you to agree to a location tracking EULA. Got a VW this year and the dealership pushed the app really hard, apparently they have to pay VW a fee if they don’t hit a quota for sign ups.
It doesn’t need it, it will drive just fine without app connection, but it provides convenient remote access and control capabilities.
I’d prefer a car that’s entirely analog. What a crazy dream.
It’s the one modern feature I wouldn’t want to give up. Cooling my car down before I get in it without having to walk out to it is very nice.
Well there’s always buying an old beater or a classic and restoring it. But you’d have to go more than 40 years back to find cars that are entirely without digital components.
I’m a convert for the fob systems. Despite having grown up a locksmith, I still lock my keys in my car more than I’m proud to admit. But ever since I got a newish Avalon, it hasn’t let me do it once. Plus I got tactile buttons for most all control. Ac is still touch screen type buttons, but everything else I get a reassuring click.
My first car was a 1992 honda civic. As time went on and cars cot more modern, i yearned for a more modern car. Infotainment seemed like so much fun, all thr convenient knick knacks and gizmos.
Now, unironocally my dream car is my 1992 honda civic from back in the day
I switched to a 1989 VW Golf a couple weeks back. No regrets
90s Civic or Miata has been my dream forever, I’m with ya.
Two pieces of modern tech, though: security and sound.
90s Civics were notoriously easy to steal, so I’d definitely want something to prevent that.
When I was younger, I’d always dreamed of having a nice sound system in my car, but could never afford to do it. Now that I have a car with a super nice sound system and a sub, I can never go back. No “infotainment” BS tho, just gimme a standard deck. USB support is nice, but an aux jack is all I really need.
In my civic i installed a “killswitch”, which was just a hidden switch to turn on the fuel pump. Not really sure how much that would prevent theft in the real world, but i think it was hard enough to find that someone trying to steal the car would rather give up than spending more time on this car. I had a pretty good sound system, which i wouldn’t need anymore. Infotainment is super overrated, my dream setup now is just something that mirrors my phone
I had a similar switch on an old truck, and it did prevent it from being stolen once. It appeared to have started and moved far enough to get out of its parking space and was left in the lot with the door open.
So it will work if your vehicle is such a sad decripit POS that it just appears to be broken when they try to start it.
We had an old manual Ford Escort that we had drilled the ignition out of and put a switch in instead. No one figured it out without us telling them (friends family borrowing). Ours wasn’t even really hidden, just unexpected… thieves rarely want to spend extra time and effort on unexpecteds.
I have a suzuki samurai that was intended to just be a project car.
But now, I think the highest technology item it has is whatever transistor is firing the spark plugs. Its tempting to just daily it.
I remember seeing guys in samurais off roading down ATV trails and I was always a little jealous.
I’d love to get one to wrench on, but I don’t need another project.
That would not even be legal on today’s roads, at least in EU for new vehicles.
I charge my EV using excess solar energy during the day. It’s handy to be able to start and stop charging based on solar output. We also use the app to send map locations to the navigation system. Finally, while I’m privacy sensitive and having a GPS tracker exposing my location through an API I don’t control is dodgy as hell, being able to confirm the vehicle location remotely has come in handy on occasion.
While some neck beards may prefer to live in the 80s, I enjoy using and benefit from modern technology. I just wish regulators would require companies to use open systems. Tech in general isn’t’ the problem. Proprietary tech is the problem.
Why does car need to be an android app?
This is highly misleading. Hopefully there’s a link in the article to the original report on the GrapheneOS forums, where they talk about the app update breaking it on multiple platforms, not just GrapheneOS. It does not appear to be a block.
when it is only affecting unofficial android systems, and stock roms are unaffected, then it indeed is a block.
It’s probably just using googles play integrity, that tends to break apps in pretty much in everything that isn’t stock manufacturer android.
It is
All in all, it’s just another brick in the VibeCoded Wall…
Is there really a ton of overlap between people privacy-conscious enough to install graphene on their phone and people who care so little that their car has an app?
Basically all new cars have an app, you don’t have a choice if you’re buying new
My 2012 Toyota has an ‘app’ that I maybe tried once over ten years ago but haven’t used since. This is nothing new. It is called “Toyota Entune”
Well, I have Corolla and I use the app mainly in winter to start the car and unfreeze front and rear windows. It’s quite convenient
Time to de-Volkswagen, then.
It’s time to un-pimp ze auto?! Oh, snap!
i want a car with zero touchscreen. Heck, even no reverse camera - older folks have been driving just fine for years with just the side and rear mirrors. 3 pedals.
Sounds like the upcoming Slate. But it’s more of a pick-up platfom. I hope they keep going and extend their product line.
At least it’s supposed to be a smaller truck, about the size of an SUV, if I remember right.
and no airbag, my granddad crashed 6 times and never needed one
Also these newfangled seatbelts, they always ruffle my tie
I’ve never needed one, therefore they are a waste of money.
I’ve also never needed anti-cancer drugs, wtf are we doing there
It helps if you’re drunk, keeps you from tensing up during the crash.
Change it from they block GOS to they spy on you. Get it in front of as many people as possible. If they get huge negative press they’re more likely to change.
They literally murdered millions and were in the press about it. I think they don’t care about headlines anymore.
Hopefully this doesn’t affect me
It’s glorious!
T3 crew checking in
10/10, Would ride to the 1990 World Cup with.
It does, unfortunately, affect you. Your van does not support GrapheneOS.
Nice!
Hell yeah, brother
I love it!
That’s a wonderful creature.
Awesome!
Ty ,for info , next car will be no VW.
Not alone.
I once dared to run Ford’s app on a rooted device. They permabanned my account including a hundred dollars worth of included charging over it without so much as a warning.
Car vendors are absolute dicks about their apps.
Murica ? Not the right place to live in it now .
Cars didn’t need apps in the 1900’s and they sure as hell don’t need them now.
But they force me to pay for parts I can’t use without doing things I won’t and agreeing to things I don’t.
Note it is very nice for me to be able to start the air conditioning in my electric car when it’s 38C out before I leave my desk.
Other things are mildly convenient, like checking progress of charging, locking/unlocking doors remotely. It happens to be convenient to check problems, but that’s only because the in-car system isn’t very good, and I would happily take the in-car system being better.
You don’t need a computer to make a car. But you might need most of one to meet fuel economy and safety standards.
Yeah, good people had good ideas and created the computer link that allows your catalytic converter to function properly. As with all good things, some shithead ruined it and put Subaru’s remote start behind a paid app. Shit people ruining good things, tale as old as time.
