• Routhinator@startrek.website
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    9 days ago

    This is why I don’t buy chicken from costco. Thankfully theres a good provider (Sunrise Farms) from Richmond on the Lower Mainland that makes a frozen skinless, boneless breat that’s cheaper than Costco, cooks to nearly the same size it started as the water content is low, and is semi-local to Vancouver Island.

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    10 days ago

    Here is a short that tells of what’s going here. This short is also a reaction, from an independent farmer who farms chickens. I think the creator here, FarmingWhileBeige, offers a lot of good insight into what is bad and not bad in our current farming practices as a level headed not batshit crazy maga person.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      I got 4 words into your post and immediately went “its FarmingWhileBeige, isnt it” and yeah, you name drop him a short while later.

      He’s awesome.

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        9 days ago

        I don’t disagree that you removed the short designation from the link, but what’s the difference between the two? It’s the same video with the same aspect ratio and the same obnoxious subtitles one word at a time. My sound is turned off so if there was a difference there it went unnoticed

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          9 days ago

          Speaking for myself here:

          • Shorts loop automatically, something I find annoying
          • Shorts have loads of UI over the video by default; while there is a “clear screen” button in the context menu, it doesn’t persist, and is extra interaction that a normal video doesn’t require
          • It’s easier to scrub through a normal video on mobile; while there is a progress bar at the bottom of a short, you can’t drag up on that bar to get fine-grained seeking

          This is my “old man tells at cloud” moment and I’m okay with that.

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            9 days ago

            Oh ok, I appreciate the answer! I didn’t think of those points because I have seen hardly any because I avoid it like the plague. Do you know if removing the designation works for all shorts?

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              8 days ago

              I’m pretty sure it does. I remember thinking “of course they would implement it like that” when I first encountered a short as a regular video.

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          9 days ago

          FWIW, his subtitles are often edited with substitutions, so if you don’t listen to the audio you’ll occasionally miss out on a punchline or other descriptives. It’s not necessary for his messages that people have to read and listen at the same time, but it’s kind of like Easter eggs lol .

    • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      10 days ago

      FarmingWhileBeige is highly recommended. He does a lot of good educational (and sassy) videos about different aspects of the farming industry, and has a good catalogue of funny shorts of reacting to stupid TikTokkers in-between. He has the experience and knowledge, and he’d be the first to tell you to stay the fuck away from the industry unless you’re ready to deal with a lot of bullshit.

      • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        Are you talking about the “woody” chicken problem? Because that’s not from this. This is effectively shipping chicken pre-brined.

      • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        The texture thing is either from being frozen/thawed too many times or a genetic issue with chickens bred to grow too fast, leading to striated meat.

      • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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        10 days ago

        Also true, but salting it leaves a much dryer, crappier chicken. Brining one works great, but I’d much rather get one already brined vs having to brine one myself like 6 hours before I want to start cooking it. That’s a lot of time and a lot of salt I’ll only use once before dumping.

        • cattywampas@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          Salting only draws moisture out of the outermost layer of skin and meat, which improves browning and crisping. It won’t affect the interior. The best way to reduce moisture loss in the meat is to spatchcock it so it cooks faster and more evenly.

          • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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            10 days ago

            I only spoke of salting in comparison to using a brine. There is no cooking method that doesn’t leave you with a more moist cooked piece of meat if the meat was brined beforehand. Spatchcocking is great. It’s better in combination with brined bird. Same with rotisserie, which I generally prefer over spatchcocking.

            There’s a lot of great cooking methods, but starting with more moisture trapped in the protein always means there’s more moisture left after cooking.

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              10 days ago

              Well agree to disagree then, I don’t see the point of cooking a whole chicken at home if I’m not getting crispy skin.

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                  10 days ago

                  You can definitely still get it crispy but because it’s retaining moisture, It’ll never get as crispy as a dry brined chicken. I spatchcock my chickens and cover in a mixture of salt and baking powder, then leave it in the fridge uncovered overnight to dry the skin out. Then I poke some holes in the fat deposits to let the fat render out, bake it at about 400F, brush it once or twice with the rendered fat from the pan until done. Crispy skin, moist meat, can’t beat it.

      • kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        10 days ago

        You can buy whole chicken thighs and debone them, or you can buy deboned chicken thighs. Not everyone wants to do the extra work.

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    10 days ago

    Also, at least in my area, I believe there is a mislabeling scam going on. At least twice now I have bought boneless skinless chicken thighs from 2 different grocery stores (different chains) and the weight has been like ~15% lower than advertized.

    Like a package of chicken thighs labeled at 3.11lbs (1.4kg) actually weighed roughly 2.67lbs (1.2kg), 14% less. One labeled at 2.49lbs (1.13kg) actually weighed roughly 2.1lbs (0.95kg), 16% less.

    Some of that may be accounted for by the absorbant pad sucking out some of that excess liquid they pump in, but it shouldn’t be so radically different

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          10 days ago

          If you watch the vid, she shows clips from Jimmy Wrig who went into Walmart and demonstrated.

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      10 days ago

      You should be able to easily report this to a state agency. Governments take standards and measures very seriously and have for thousands of years.

      • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        10 days ago

        Governments take standards and measures very seriously and have for thousands of years.

        Yeah, that was before Trump.

        • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          States (and often larger cities) have their own weights and measures bureaus. That’s where you’d start even in a period of an Administration friendly to regulatory environments.

    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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      10 days ago

      Meat has a water content, and water is lost by evaporation between the packagers and the person who brings it home.
      If you care about this, buy from a butcher who weighs at the time of sale.

      Or, wash your chicken and watch the weight magically increase.

      This is another Tiktok “scandal”.

      • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
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        10 days ago

        Yeah, like I said I’m not certain. And I have since seen random people circulating this on various social media, but I noticed it myself first. At 15%, it could just be water loss, but also it could be something more than that. Mainly it’s just an annoyance.

      • HeyJoe@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        It’s not just meat though. And sometimes they are way off to the point it is definitely not within reason. A good one seen was the prepackaged mini hams that are airtight. They were weighed and basically 30% off or more from the label the store slapped on them.

          • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            10 days ago

            Please do not equate YouTube to TikTok. TikTok is literally incapable of long-form videos and the platform is a cesspool of misinformation.

          • HeyJoe@lemmy.world
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            10 days ago

            I have only seen 1 person do it and I am not on tik tok or ever used it before. I guess theres a chance they are lying, but they have gotten several suppliers to admit to issues they reported and were corrected. I would like to think I am good at weeding out fake videos and they just dont seem like it, but there is always a chance.

      • RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works
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        10 days ago

        It’s really not. The weight determines the price and added water raises the cost, you are essentially paying meat prices for water content. In the EU there are strict rules against that. A meat producer has to declare the amount of added water if it’s above 2%. Of course there are companies which fraudulenty go above that without declaring it. My point is, that’s illegal for a reason

    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      We’ve had ongoing issues here with places including the weight of the packaging. Not as bad as what you’ve encountered as a % difference, but also not allowed.

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    10 days ago

    Here in the EU, I just looked at some packed chicken. It’s marinated, but still: the ingredients say it contains only 87% actual chicken meat, then water, then salt. 13% marinade seems a bit much. It’s not swimming in sauce. Not sure if it’s been plumped too.

    It’s a truism that all sorts of industrially produced & packaged meat shrink when you cook/fry it.

    It would be interesting to know what the leagl situation is around here. I checked wikipedia and it refers only to the USA.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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      10 days ago

      The water and salt is absorbed and held inside the chicken meat. That’s why it is 13% and not swimming in sauce.

      Brining meat causes the meat itself to swell and take in extra moisture\salt. It’s why brined meats are more tender and less dry after cooking.

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        10 days ago

        The water and salt is absorbed and held inside the chicken meat. That’s why it is 13% and not swimming in sauce.

        That was precisely my point.

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          10 days ago

          I guess I don’t really know what legalities you would think of, since it’s labeled on the packaging that 13% of the weight is added. What are you thinking, from an EU perspective?

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          Uh if you’re getting marinated meat, you kinda WANT it to be absorbed into the meat, as opposed to just being wet on the outside. So you have the marinade flavour when you cook the meat

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    10 days ago

    This is why you want to look for “air-chilled” when it comes to chickens. Aside from paying more for a higher sodium product, you’ll get better browning on your meat with air-chilled.

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      10 days ago

      That and I recently purchased frozen chicken breasts from Costco. They were huge and once thawed and cooked they were still larger and had more weight than a usual store brand chicken breast.

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    10 days ago

    Just stop eating meat. I did that 15 years ago. Meat is unhealthy, bad for the climate, bad for the people working in the slaughterhouses… and most of all bad for the animal.

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    10 days ago

    yeah this was the first thing we switched over I think grocery wise. Basically your paying for water and the organic is better if its up to 2x the price.

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    10 days ago

    I’ve seen people getting upset about this. I’m only upset because I have kidney issues and have to watch my sodium and meat really fucks me when it comes to sodium content.