Where’s the 20 year sentence for insider trading politicians?
Bro, stick with affordable housing and Healthcare. Everyone will want an automated military and will develop one till someone uses theirs to stop others from making their own. This is the new race for the bomb and it will escalate worse then nukes because the 1% thinks they wont kill themselves when they start the class genocide.
The easiest way to regulate the AI industry - and any industry for that matter - is to make the board personally liable for any crimes committed by their product. Not liable in a corporate sense with a fine and a slap on the wrist, when their AI hacks into a water reservoir and causes 500 million of flood damage, but in a 20 years in federal prison sense. Same goes for self driving cars, or any other computer, machinery or combination thereof where humans are placing trust in its safe and legal operation. There should be a corporate negligence law of sorts that says if a company is not following the law, industry best practice, including auditing and implementation of all safeguards, safety and other mitigations then they are exposed to criminal liability.
Here’s my idea: We arrest and execute all AI executives and lead developers, going by their definition of danger. Non-lead devs: 35 years in prison; AI boosters: 20 years in prison; both forced to only consume AI generated slop, the only place where we still temporarily allow the technology.
both forced to only consume AI generated slop
Let’s force them to eat food that looks like the food does on the AI generated menus, with the weird tire shrimp and all
only consume AI generated slop, the only place where we still temporarily allow the technology.
jfc full on torture.
maybe for musk and altman lol
I’d propose the opposite: 20 years in prison for anyone who opposes AI research.
Maybe not really 20 years, but small cut of profits (percentage!) to fund AI developement
I propose: anyone boosting AI on social media must be forced to not consume any human art. Prompted garbage only. If they violate it, whey will be suspended from social media for one month.
20 years in prison for anyone who opposes AI research.
think about the company you keep - ai fanboys like trump and musk and zuck.
think.
I don’t like them, but I think progress is more important.
progress
does it feel like progress to you? like, when you see they can’t create adequately secured testing, does that seem progressive? does grok undressing children seem like progressive technology?
just because something is growing in complexity does not mean it’s progress. and again, look at the adherents selling it.
and the warnings coming from people who left the companies.
and the cost of power, and water, gpus, ram, etc., - does that seem like things are progressing in a manner you want to see continue?
progress is a funny word here.
Obligatory Human CentiPad scene from South Park.
These AI labs shouldn’t be private profit-seeking corporations. They should be more like publicly-funded nonprofit research institutions like Fermilab or something. It doesn’t seem possible to even talk about the labs without feeling like you’re increasing their value. That’s a problem. It’s also a problem that the research and announcements from the labs sound like publicity stunts. It’s hard to tell what’s genuine and what’s buzz for the press. There’s this arms race between the labs that’s negatively affecting seemingly everything. This should all just be put to an end. Step on the brakes. I don’t claim to know how to do that when the Constitution makes private property sacred, but, you know, just throwing the idea out there… The Constitution can always be changed.
Better idea. Let’s make it a capital offense. Call it “treason against mankind.”
That would be interesting, as it’s headed in the direction of “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity”, but those tend to be international standards, and the US regime trying to attack and destroy these courts.
I don’t really want to get off on a political tangent. I’m talking about how we should handle these things, not how the current admin would handle them.
I use this internationalist language because it’s the only language that really captures the magnitude of the crime. We are a species that dominates this planet entirely due to our intelligence. We aren’t the fastest. We aren’t the strongest. We have neither sharp talons or fangs. We produce no poison or other biological defense mechanisms. The one thing and the only thing that has let us as a species control this world are our minds.
This is the context that needs to be considered when contemplating the ethics of superintelligent AI. I don’t care how good your control measures are. This is the lesson from every ancient tale involving genies and other beings of great power bound. This is the conclusion of the whole academic field of AI alignment and safety. You can never control something more intelligent than you are. If you think you can, you’re a fool. I don’t care what incentives you give it. I don’t care how much you air gap it. I don’t even ultimately care if it’s conscious and has a sense of self. It is simply not possible to ever control a machine beyond a certain level of capability. Any way you can think to control it, it can think of a way to work around. (I know some folks bristle at the words “think”, but frankly there’s no practical way to talk about these systems without using anthropomorphized language.)
If someone creates a superintelligent AI, they are not summoning a powerful servant. They are effectively creating a new species, one that will have its own motivations (even if just fulfilling its given instructions in dangerous and unpredictable ways.) And that competitor will operate in the exact same niche we do - physically helpless but still able to dominate the world through intelligence.
I just can’t see doing this as anything other than betraying your own species. You’re creating something that has the potential, even if just a small potential, to drive your own species to extinction. You care so little for your fellow human beings that you’re willing to gamble the lives of not only everyone alive now, but all the future generations of humans yet to be born. Such an act is an unforgivable sin, a moral abomination. I do not even have the language to express how deeply evil it is for a human to create something with superhuman intelligence. It is quite literally treason against the human race. And the traditional penalty for normal treason is death.
In my mind, if you do this, you are literally a traitor to the entire human race. You deserve to hang for this. Think about how we tried the Nazis at Nuremberg. And they only tried to commit genocide against a few racial and social groups. We’re talking about someone with such complete disregard for their fellow human that they are willing to risk human extinction for the sake of making a buck. I’m generally opposed to the death penalty. I don’t support it for ordinary murderers. But this? I’m sorry, but the penalty for treason against your own species should be death. If you are such an inhuman monster that you would gamble with the lives of two billion children? You need to hang for that. And I don’t care how many fools we have to string up to prevent this. I don’t care if it’s thousands. I for one really like humanity, regardless of all our flaws. And there is very little I would not support to protect our own existence.
I have no idea if LLMs can ever really reach that level of threat. I have no idea how much of the models that are causing the hacks and issues now can really ever become a physical threat to human life. But I do know that we simply cannot allow anyone to build superhuman AI. (Again, ignoring for now whether existing models can ever actually reach that.) The existence of anything on this planet more intelligent than us is a threat to all of us. It is such an existential threat, that there is almost no action I wouldn’t take to prevent it. I would fight a nuclear war to prevent the creation of such an abomination. It’s one of the few cases where starting a nuclear war is actually a rational choice.
LLMs can’t and they don’t know what can, it’s entirely bullshit. They don’t understand “intelligence” or “sentience” or “sapience” or generally how the brain works. These are business bros talking about math nerds while referring to neurobiology (which is entirely outside their field). The domain of brain science is impressive, but very far from mapping out the unknowns, it’s not even close.
Which is to say that they can’t replicate something that they can’t understand at the required level of understanding. The brain is not understandable yet. Which is to say that the story that there’s some linear ramp up possible to “climb” to “AGI” and “ASI” and whatever bullshit term they come up with – that entire story is bullshit. At most, it’s old science fiction.
Completely off-topic comment. None of this matters to what we’re talking about. Something doesn’t have to be sentient, sapient, or intelligent in a human way to be capable of demonstrating unpredictable, novel, and incredibly powerful behaviors. A steam engine is non-sentient, but it vastly exceeds human capabilities in certain applications. It’s no different for LLMs. You can stop talking about sentience. That’s not what we’re talking about here.
Discussions of consciousness are off topic in these conversations. We’re discussing the threat posed by LLM-based systems, not whether they deserve rights.
is it just me, or is 20 years for a rogue nuclear weapon seem a bit light?
Nah, it’s okay. Even Putin has it
I am not threatened by an endless avalanche of AI slop.
How about you propose life without parole for the CEOs, Bernie boy?
Considering people have already tried to develop missiles and other systems with Anthropic and other AI systems it seems like this is warranted and on point with the rogue nuclear power. It can be used by anyone to potentially develop mass deadly weapons.
https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthis-anthropic-ai-missiles-9b20934e031ff3d99dd8bb49d85d97a9
We can’t even punish blatantly obvious theft and bribery in our own government, at this point, why bother with another law?
I like Bernie, but he seems so quaint now compared to what he is up against. Good luck guy
I’ve been trying to figure out why he’s been— bothering me so much lately and you put it into words so perfectly. He’s to quaint for this world now.
I assume then there is an exception for the military, and it will have no teeth because of that.
People ought to realize the “military industrial complex” is also where they send things like burn pits, which means they don’t care much about environmental or physiological issues.
Pfft, didn’t you hear? The only thing that is necessary to keep AI from going insane is a smart president.
TIL: There are lot of senile old man in power in US, starting from President, … what’s next? Death sentence for coal mine workers?
