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Looks kind of ugly and spies on you.
And your Western-made car doesn’t? Ha!
Ew western car. I drive a japenese car
Japan is honorary Western.
(So is Korea.)
Everything spies on you now LOL.
If you’re reading this on your phone, guess what? Your phone is spying on you. Turn off your phone and watch some TV. Your TV is spying on you.
Yeah, but not everything is wankpanzer that has a much higher kill rate than reasonably designed cars.
Dumb TV no spy
Damn, never though I’d say this, but I think China is gonna save capitalism from itself.
Nah. It’s just another rug pull in preparation. Undercut prices until the competition breaks, then fuck things up with your monopoly. We’re in the undercutting prices phase, but the Chinese will want to have their fair share of interest on the subsidies they use use to do that right now. It’s the same old fucking capitalism again and nothing is saved from it.
Everyone said this would happen when Japanese cars started being sold in the US. It never happened.
Detroit isn’t even trying to compete.
Yeah. Companies running on state subsidies competing with others who are not is not capitalism “working”, it’s just another rug pull leaving us all fucked.
I guess in this fantasy scenario of yours, the United States is the one that doesn’t subsidize the auto industry? lol
I love how criticizing the Chinese car industry leads people to asssume I love the American one.
The US hasn’t produced a decent car since the 60s. I don’t even factor them into the calculation.
I didn’t say you loved it, I asked if you didn’t think it was subsidized.
Not to the same degree or in the same way. In the US the name of the game is to have companies run themselves into the ground to line the pockets of CEOs and investors, and then the state bailing them out every time because of jobs and national pride.
I’m sure there are other systems in place as well, but frankly I don’t care. Teslas are pretty much the only American cars you’ll see in Europe, and they’ve been subsidized by European countries to promote the electronic transition.
In short, I don’t think about American cars at all.
My guess is that these Chinese manufacturers will kill the old automakers that are in rapid decline after decades of low quality products at high prices.
I don’t know if the Chinese brands have good quality but they’re priced lower than the expensive low quality trash that’s already on the market from all the other automakers.
sell cheap to kill competition around the world. leverage new global monopoly for fun and profits later.
They use this same tactic over and over and I find it surprising that more people don’t immediately recognize what they’re doing.
I guess it’s just more enticing than “maximise profits for the few even if it means the planet dying”. All western auto makers can get squeezed for all I care. I’d buy their products, but they spent a decade sabotaging it and making sure it keeps spewing poison.
I have no pity for toxic companies that fought tooth and nail against EV development. The tactic works because it’s taking advantage of a broken system.
This. I’m all for competition and innovation, but this is subsidized by the Chinese government to exploit a lack of manufacturing in other countries.
If you’ve heard about how food or clothing donations harm local farmers and weavers, same principle. We should be encouraging domestic production around the world, not allowing one country to undercut everyone else.
China is doing exactly what other countries and corporations do to establish and compete in markets.
Let me repeat it: China is doing exactly what other countries and corporations do to establish and compete in markets.
And because it doesn’t ever seem to sink in: China is doing exactly what other countries and corporations do to establish and compete in markets.
Newsflash: Sinophobia is not an economic strategy.
Edit: "“All for competition and innovation” The United States barred China from buying the latest NVIDIA chips to keep it out of AI. Typical American racist scapegoating.
This thread is so fucking ignorant and choking on MAGA propaganda. Look this up idiots: the US of A has subsidized Detroit far more than China in the auto industry and BYD was heavily invested by US investors like Warren Buffet.
Warren Buffet bought 10% of BYD because US options were all losers. From 2008 to 2022 he made $8.75B.
This sub has USG-sponsored China fear mongering posted multiple times a day.
Yeah and it’s bad when other countries do it too
China has been playing the long game for 30+ years. When you have actual history and strategy(and unlimited exploitable labor( you’d be amazed what you can accomplish.
Free market? Not like that!
Don’t worry, I’m sure there’s another bailout and another cash for clunkers with a side of tariffs getting cooked up by some lobbyist to get passed by some paid off politicians. They are already trying to/already have pass(ed) a complete ban on Chinese autos. Knock knock, they are already on both borders.
China is better at capitalism than the US is.
The United States greatly prefers that corporations be in charge of the government to government be in charge of corporations.
Not much difference in the outcome for the general population.
That‘s a reach, if I ever saw one. China lifted more than 800 million people out of poverty, and in fact eradicated poverty at all. Last I heard, their standard of living just closely missed being in the high income countries category. Their trajectory is in complete contrast to the declining Western empire.
China is better at capitalism, because it‘s their only play to stay sovereign and overcome this predatory system completely. They have to prove to the capitalist world, that their system and long term development is superior and it‘s only beneficial for the world to follow their transition towards socialism to enable prosperity for all humankind, not just the global north. Not gonna happen under capitalism, especially not under the US or the EU.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Unless you are Tibetan or Uyghur.
I try not to let US state department propaganda narratives dictate my perspective on their geopolitical adversaries.
Sure and Tiananmen Square never happened.
This is just not true for an enormous number of people. The wealth disparity is striking. The ones who are making it are making it, but it is nowhere near everyone.
Disparity is rising in China with the development of the private sector, but it is fundamentally true that the CPC primarily focuses on developing the living conditions for the working classes:
Essentially, capitalists are winning the most, but the CPC ensures that more than anything the lives of the working classes are focused on. Additionally, as the private sector grows, it gets increasingly controlled and subsumed into the public sector. The privledge capitalists have rest on a dying basis because their purpose is to facilitate development towards higher levels of socialism, through developing the productive forces more rapidly. This is the tradeoff China made, and its working.
20% youth unemployment and this tankie is posting this lmao
Well none of this (including the price) would be happening without massive government subsidies so I’m not sure here is the place to take a victory lap for capitalism due to artificially low prices designed to win market share abroad, but okay.
China is better at capitalism than anyone else is. It’s not even close.
Can we just fucking STOP doing SUVs please? And huge trucks. And all the rest of that oversized garbage.
I think people who have never driven one or feel uncomfortable getting one and gets one because they feel they’re getting more for their money shouldn’t be driving them at all.
I think people who want one should rent one that way they have practice and they have to be careful with the vehicle because it’s on loan but the one thing I noticed when just about everyone switched to mini-suv’s and full sized ones and trucks, that there’s more people who have never driven one in their life and it’s noticeable.
I just don’t want to be hit by someone who has no idea how to manage driving one because of their size and depth perception being thrown off other than that who gives a fuck what people drive. If someone wants to drop money on something stupidly oversized and uses a fuckload of gas, let em.
But without SUVs, people would be embarrassed driving minivans and without huge trucks, there would be nothing to compensate for small penises.
Bring on an era where minivans are cool again, SUVs are tacky, and hot hatches + coupes reign supreme.
I want a mostly analog microbus body on a kei size frame. Standardized universal plug ins with easily swappable parts. Basically easily accessible media/electronic wiring internally where we can swap the wiring harness, speakers and receiver. A standard sized motor slot for each wheel and same for battery slot and hookups. If new battery technology comes out, they make it to fit the same size slot with adapters pre-fit so no modifications are needed.
If a motor goes bad set to a temporary mode where all power goes to front or back wheel depending on which died… drive into shop lift car, put on standardized lift… Mechanic knows where full shut off switch is that disconnects battery from all components, lift already grounds frame by setup and pulling the bolts removing the motor and swapping it with a standardized replacement should be able to be done in minutes. The mechanic shouldn’t need to know much at that point, but still good to have someone who does multiple a day than someone who does 1 every 7-10 years.
Universal light sockets blah blah blah.
So if you want “smart” features, they are in your chosen swappable part, Bluetooth, wifi, CD, 8-track, whatever, your choice, your slots. Obviously, 8 track might not fit but if everything is standardized, accessory hookups become easy to make
That would be ideal; something of an Open Platform with fully interchangeable parts.
It’s not quite fully everything we’d want, but that Slate truck that was announced (launched?) last year seems like it’s a step in the right direction.
The issue at play largely is that customer demand needs to make such options not only viable for manufacturers - but an outright requirement in order for them to remain competitive and relevant.
nothing to compensate for small penises.
That’s not true!!! Just about everything that a mid-life crisis covers, can be a compensation for a small penis.
Gen X shoulda boughta fucking wagon like their parents.
I’m Genx. No kids still at home. I got a minivan (6 cyl Grand Caravan) and will keep having a minivan because they’re versatile as fuck. I’m on my 3rd right now. They’re comfortable to drive long distances, handle well in the snow, and have buttons for controls instead of a touch screen.
Haul 8 people. No problem. Haul 4x8 sheets of plywood. No problem. Camp in the back. No problem. Move a couch. No problem. Haul a small camper or trailer. No problem.
I fold the seats and slide in a sheet of 1/2 inch 4x8 plywood in the back to make loading/unloading easy.
They’re cheap too. You can pick one up just a few years old for a few thousand.
But I like being able to see over everyone else
- everyone
At this point I’m planning to see under everyone else.
Xiaomi first car is an amazing sport sedan: SU7. Followed by my personal favorite, the YU7. Actually the SU7 has been the best selling car in China for a few months.
The Skynomad, this new SUV, strangely is not marketed as Xiaomi but purely as Skynomad. They have separate stores, whereas the SU7 and YU7 are in the normal Xiaomi stores, between the phones fridges and laptops. Definitely a different target audience so that could be the strategy. It doesn’t have a Xiaomi badge either.
The same goes for Huawei, who have a whole suit of different models and types of cars. The most insane one, from innovation perspective, is the Maestro, a competitor for Rolls-Royce.
All serious car manufacturers do this. Do you think Lexus, Infiniti, et al are their own brands?
I’m a car nut so yes I’m very aware and knowledgeable. However Lexus is Toyota which is a well established brand for many decades before they branched out. The same with Infinity.
Xiaomi is just starting out making cars for 3 years now, only have 2 models, and should work on their own brand first, before creating a new brand. The market in China in EV’s is already extremely competitive. So introducing another brand, just is complicated for the consumer. Xiaomi is such an established brand here, keep it under that banner.
And the Skynomad is nothing special or high end luxury. That was my point. Build your brand first and in due time, create the spinoff if needed. Now in China, everything is accelerated but still.
Most of these these new SUVs aren’t huge SUVs of the 90s - like Ford Explorer. They’re basically the new station wagon but barely larger than a sedan like a Camry.
A crossover is a station wagon but the entire thing is raised up for no reason. It’s funny how averse the public is to driving a minivan. I drove one as a rental for a week and it was snappy, convenient, comfortable, and could hold a ton of stuff or people.
Minivans’ case isn’t really helped here in Europe by the fact that they’re cheap econoboxes with 2 liter or smaller engines. The Chrysler minivan with its V6 is just about the only exception. And the Mercedes one, but that hasn’t been available in well over a decade. We don’t get the Sienna or the Odyssey for example.
No
American need a husky fit vehicle.
Looks like Rolls-Royce Cullinan from China.
Not in the US. We have a captive market that keeps us from ever seeing one.
In my experience Chinese cars have loads of cool features that sometimes even work.
Sometimes they don’t even try to kill you while driving (often they do)
Kind of like teslas!
Yes.
An suv we cant buy
If only you guys had democracy
An SUV for that price… In sure Chinese sweatshop factory workers are paid fairly and work in safe conditions and get regular breaks, vacations, aock leave, etc… Right?
Because if not, you’d be buying products from slavery yet somehow I don’t see that argument very much
Show me a car without the Chinese components or the Chinese labor involved in its manufacture?
Not denying sweatshops over there, but it’s highly likely these are mostly built by robots in empty buildings.
Yeah. Watched a factory tour and assembly for sany equipment. Excavators and such. There’s people involved. But the facilities are clean automated and far from sweat shop looking. They make damn good equipment. I used to think it’s junk. Then I had to fix a couple. Impressive stuff from those guys.
Auto factories are well known for providing above average working conditions and career paths for their workers in China (high skill, robots). This is one product you would want to buy to support worker rights in China which notoriously have almost no rights or representstion.
I’m not sure. There was a guy on Lemmy saying essentially that the “wages are actually pretty good in auto manufacturing, but of course you have to do 60+ hours a week for them to be good, not be lazy and do 40” from his own experience in China.
So, instead of Chinese robot slavery, buy from American or Mexican human slavery?
but American slaves were convicted!
Mostly of being not white, but you know . . .
America has UAW, which is about a quarter of the reason American cars are so expensive. They’re paying their factory workers way too much.
Removed video.
Got a source on this claim?
You should worry a ton about the kind of spying which could be embedded in their cars, or terrible security like the UK found in Huawei phone masts.
Lol ok the U.S. is mandating cars have remote shutdown and cameras the watch you while you drive, and the ALPRs already track you everywhere. I’d rather the CCP have my data than any private U.S. company.
Same in Europe disguised as “safety think of the children features” that interpret Asian drivers as asleep lmao
They’re actually doing everything.
They are doing something though, it’s called long term planning.
It annoys me so much that the western world has stopped doing it and is just thinking short term.
True, that’s also why we stopped valuing education the same way we used to. The wild part is that we can’t even think 20 years out. Hopefully most of us will still be alive 20 years from now. We should plan like that is the case.
Isn’t every part of their auto industry heavily subsidized?
Yes, just like the auto industry in the United States. The only difference is that the state also directs their companies to do good things rather than just bailing them out.
I wasn’t asking about the United States, I don’t live in that shithole country. I was asking about China. The meme suggests that China does nothing for their auto industry. That is false.
Poptop camper 😍
Given the quality of some of their cheaper cars, this is a probably a shitbox.
You mean “their” as in general to the whole Chinese car industry including the shitboxes sold by GM under the Buick brand? Or only Xiaomi cars?
Because Xiaomi exclusively sells luxury cars, their other “cheaper” model costs $35k, maybe you are confused for another brand?
Do you work for the company? Jebus.
You’re welcome.
archive.today link :(
Sorry, what’s the problem?
If you can’t reach that resource, it’s your DNS provider being a limp-wristed dick. Change providers.
Archive today was (is? I stopped following the story shortly after it broke) DDoSing some person’s blog. Archive today was also found to be changing some of the content of archived pages.
