It is seriousely beyond me that for so many people it first has to hurt them before they react. Instead of thinking long term based and not short term emotional and egotistical
I’ve witnessed so much of it at this point that I’ve come to accept it.
It still hurts to watch though. Nothing you do will convince them until they hurt just like the rest of us. Even if you tell them that it will hurt them eventually, even if you beg and plead for their own safety, until they feel that pain they won’t care.
More copium for the masses. No one is leaving MAGA. Anyone smart enough to do this would have done it back when he was found to have raped children. The rest are bought and paid for simps.
Decades of leftist organizing couldn’t do it. One server farm drinking the town aquifer to make AI slop did it in a year.
Rural American voters weren’t actually the conservative base they are today until relatively recently, at least not in all the same ways we see them today. Through the first half of the 20th century rural mine workers and even agriculturalists all over were part of progressive movements of their time.
As they say in labor organizing, the boss is the best organizer
are they, or they just only vote on this single issue, and then they go right back to voting republican.
they got their abortion ‘win’, guns aren’t being ‘taken away’, dipshit is doing a bang-up job hating the ‘correct people’ and shredding social services, and the climate change hoax is sufficiently contained (it is not, but these are science deniers)…
so i guess there’s no single issue left that’s calling them… so ‘data centers’ it is.
we aint all that happy with them down south neither
Conservative rural voters are already demonstrably susceptible to propaganda.
Just wait until they hear about what billionaires are doing to their children.
I’m not convinced that MAGAs would actually see a problem with that…
What they took away from that seems to be they were right about pizza gate in some way. I wish I was kidding
Nothing will push them to vote Dem.
They may vote for an independent candidate or not vote at all, but they will not vote Dem, regardless of how many Dem policies align with their own.
No they will. Flipping between D and R is part of the strategy to keep us trapped
Depends. Data centers are a bipartisan issue. Don’t believe the bot feeds that try to play it off as otherwise.
That defeatism is exactly what the fascists want.
Is it really defeatism, though? Simply not voting at all could turn tides. And it’s not like Republicans haven’t proven them right again and again and again and again. Republicans are conditioned HARD to never, ever consider voting for a Democrat.
I think it is considering the assertion was they’re never going to change… On an article about them changing.
It’s not saying that Republicans are voting Democrat, though. It’s just saying there’s a surge in votes for Democrats in rural areas that are traditionally conservative. That could mean that Republicans are voting for Democrats, but past evidence suggests it’s far more likely to just be latent Democrats actually bothering to go out and vote in areas where they’d traditionally get drowned out.
Just because many of the MAGA are beyond redemption, people still need to VOTE! A lot of the reason we have trump 2.0 is because 66% of voters didn’t vote.
Wouldn’t them voting for an independent candidate still mean they’re not voting for a republican? Wouldn’t that still be a net plus?
100%
Obama won in 2012. Trump won in 2016. Then a bunch of his voters switched and Biden won in 2020. And then a bunch of his voters switched to Trump in 2024.
It seems inarguable that a critical number of voters are absolutely capable of changing their minds.
What you’re missing is that not the same amount of people voted in all of those elections. 2012 and 2020 had high voter participation, 2016 and 2024 did not. Trump got fewer votes in 2016 than Romney did in 2012. If everyone who voted for Obama in 2012 had also voted for Clinton, Trump never would have won.
Same thing with ‘24, if everyone who voted for Biden in ‘20 had voted for Harris in ‘24, we never would’ve had Trump 2. This is why I think Trump isn’t very popular, he just wins by default when the Dems run a bad campaign or have an uninspiring candidate (side note, I totally think America is ready for a woman president, just not Clinton or Harris specifically)
Nailed it. I’ve seen posts on local social media literally descring what you just said. They won’t vote D no matter what, but they wont vote R this election either so they are staying home.
independants are really just aligned with the gop, as spoilers.
No they aren’t. I live in a rural area and independents are basically moderate Democrats without the branding. It’s the only way to win local elections without being in the GOP. And they do win elections pretty regularly
Some of them actually will. Not everyone who dumbly voted for Trump is a hardcore magat, it just looks that way on social media
I live in maga central and I do know people who’ve changed over to voting for Dems.
There’s really no need for this level of cynicism. I understand why you feel this way but it doesn’t help anything.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Turns out »bringing the future to rural America« is a tougher sell when the future arrives as a windowless warehouse guzzling water and electricity while your bills climb. Republicans get the backlash, Democrats get the votes, and both parties get checks from the same tech lobby. Truly bipartisan innovation.
I don’t really believe this. Yes, a lot hate data centers but they blame dems.
They blame dems, but it seems like they see the less mainstream democrats that are pushing away from the corporate dems as more promising, like there have been a handful of former Trump voters who said they liked Mamdani because he’s doing something different and trying to make things more affordable for average people.
Some Republican operatives called a bunch of voters who flipped from Trump to Mamdani and asked why? And some of them said Mamdani was conservative. The operatives were like no he’s not he’s socialist, to which they said Mamdani was talking about things being affordable, which is a conservative position. These people really are fucking stupid as shit.
It’s funny I see this interviews etc… and I’m still not convinced
the dumbest rural 24/7 fox news watching, over 50 year old, truck driving, mozzarella stick and ice cream treat eating, “Applebee’s, redlobster and olive garden are fancy eatin” Hogs will ever vote in a democrat
Like if Kansas, Iowa, or Nebraska flips blue
if Mississippi flips blue I’ll go to church
Best you can hope for with people that deep in the red mindset is to discourage them from voting. They can’t bring themselves to vote for a “Dumbocrat”, but if they hate their own party’s option enough, they won’t vote for them either, just stay home in miserable despair.
That’s what we have to hope for.
Polls regarding voting intent have become incredibly unreliable over the last decade.
Especially when there is a fascist government in charge that wants to murder all opposition. Like, hell no am I going to tell a random phone number how I’m going to vote.
Almost like the reporting on it is intentionally misleading. Really odd.
Strong guarantee that the data center issue is not enough to get conservatives voting for any democrat no matter how much they talk about jesus or whatever
A shitton of voters will NEVER vote for a Dem, no matter how bad things get. For some it’s gun rights, for others it’s being anti-abortion or anti-LGBT, and most believe liberals are EXTREMISTS because Fox News pounds that into their brain 24/7.
Yeah, but they can become disillusioned and not vote for the republicans either
i wonder if they would change their behavior even if both parties changed their stances on the issues, like republicans calling for gun bans (for anyone on their shitlist) and democrats to keep it as it is
the civil rights acts of the 1960s pretty much did that.
I think if dems would quit attacking guns they would dominate.
Lmao.
I can’t even think of anything they do other than ban assault weapons and implement red flag laws. They just usually say “sensible gun reform”, and, like, everyone agrees with that, so I just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Legitimately, the only time I hear about Dems attacking guns is when there’s a fucking election and Republicans and gun manufacturers claim they’ll take your guns away. I’m still waiting on Obama to take my guns.
Honestly the dems don’t need to ban guns, just do red flag laws, gun permits, psychological tests, and background checks
We don’t need to ban guns
They just usually say “sensible gun reform”, and, like, everyone agrees with that
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but you are deeply out of touch with American gun owners if you think “everyone agrees with” “sensible gun reform.” Lots of gun owners vote purely to maintain the same level of access to guns we have now. They call it voting “straight 2A” and they will never vote for any Democrat because they perceive them as “gun grabbers” who are negotiating in bad faith.
America has so many guns that to do anything about it we need to talk about a serious cultural transformation on a level with “Japan banning people from carrying swords in public” paired with the kind of mutual, transparent disarmament that happens in countries after a civil war. “Sensible gun reform” is an interesting idea because it simultaneously doesn’t go nearly far enough and is also considered way too extreme by many gun owners.
Fair. I do still think that everyone agrees with that because while these people don’t want anyone to touch any rights, they’ll ostensibly agree that “some people” shouldn’t have guns, whether that’s criminals or “criminals” or what have you.
So, in a way, I do think even 2A people agree, they just don’t think that it is either possible (“criminals will just ignore the law” like you can just find guns wherever) or that it’s the intention behind gun control (going after political dissidents).
My statement was more that the gun control that Democrats propose is basically nothing, and that it’s just a fucking wedge issue that also happens to consistently make gun manufacturers money. Are Dems supposed to lie and say letting teachers have guns solves gun violence in schools to appease these fuckers? Like, what the fuck are we talking about here?
Wasn’t Reagan the one who initially implemented California’s restrictive gun laws?
And, of course, we all know which president said “take the guns first, go through due process second” during his first term. But, to be fair, Obama’s been living rent-free in that guy’s head for more than a decade…
Wasn’t Reagan the one who initially implemented California’s restrictive gun laws?
Yes, because the black panthers were doing the kind of things that white gun owners fantasize about (actually using the guns for community self defense)
Well the funny thing is, it was Republicans that suggested taking guns from trans people. I think this confused MAGA. They didn’t know if they should be pro-guns or anti-trans.
With how close our elections typically are, you don’t need to convince every single one, just picking away at the fringes should be enough
