Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.
Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa
People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software
I can thank them for their development efforts, but not on how they run their instance.
‘I would like to enjoy the benefits of collective efforts without supporting the political ideology that makes it possible in the first place.’
Are you sure it’s possible because of toxic ideology, or despite it? I may want to see the math on that.
You can’t think why people interested in collective benefit and free dissemination of tools, while rejecting free markets and the profit motive, might have some meaningful overlap with believing in socialism?
There are any number of capitalist platforms. Yet here you are on one developed under communist principles. And still too indoctrinated to work out the connection.
The toxicity of the ideology vs the toxicity of users describing or supporting an ideology.
It’s like asking if NASA went to the moon because of the NKVD or despite the NKVD.
This can be done under right wing libertarianism as well. Or general green people. Idk.
A society based on worship of individualism is diametrically opposed to collective efforts.
I’m thinking more about self hosting, though.
That “ideology” is authoritarianism
- Understanding Siege Socialism - Gabriel Rockhill joins to talk about a controversial concept for Western socialists: “siege socialism”. A term coined by the great Michael Parenti.
- Third World Socialism in an Imperialist World - Rebuttal to Worthless First World Lib ‘Lefties’ - Liberal imperialists first worlders who vote for Joe Biden while calling themselves ‘socialists’ love to attack every remotely successful left-of-liberal revolution in the third world - here’s why they’re wrong (they’re also racist)
- Western Marxism & Imperialism, with John Bellamy Foster & Gabriel Rockhill - Please join us for a webinar to discuss the dialogue between John Bellamy Foster and Gabriel Rockhill on “Western Marxism and Imperialism,” published in the March issue of Monthly Review: https://monthlyreview.org/2025/03/01/western-marxism-and-imperialism-a-dialogue/
Spamming links with quotes that are unrelated?
The point was that the tankie triad are authoritarian, that’s just a fact
What did the “authoritarian” Lemmy instances do, make you eat your spinach? 😂
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“authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs. Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.
“authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs.
Not how I’m using it here, which is a direct comment on how a Lemmy instance is run. If you want to pretend the tankie triad aren’t authoritarian then you’re too stupid to discuss anything with, honestly
Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.
No, I haven’t, I’m one of the filthy socialists who argue in favor of many of the ideas of those regimes. You just see someone pointing out the bad of the tankie triad and make assumptions that I’m not firmly on the left and just disgusted by how high they are on the compass compared to me
Remember when I told you to keep it easy on the memes against .ml, hexbear and grad a few days ago? 😄
Fuck Tankies, all my homies Hate Tankies
I hate Illinois tankies.
It really has been weeks though js, and it was more thrown in, the thanks is genuine 😅LMAO
Would have probably been better with purely thanks and no diss attempt in the middle 😄
Would have been better if you stopped complaining.
Aggressive comment, in line with your modlog https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=870550
8 months ago and a year ago aren’t exactly recent examples
Plus one is complaining about the title being a word salad and the other one is a reply to a deleted comment. I may have been out of line, but I’m not going to own up to that without knowing the context.
cmon we just want capitalism to die already 🥺
Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime
Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.
socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can’t work if people don’t want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.
if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?
This conversation is great.
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I agree with the dog. So I must like this right?
that just means you will be completely ineffective.
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anti communist
uses edgelord slurs
Not beating the reactionary allegations.
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by supporting capitalist regimes
Same, I just don’t want it to be like the soviet union.
not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.
we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.
Do you have any links about the latin-american ones? Google isn’t giving me anything useful.
For starting to think about it: I think the chilean attempt by Salvador Allende was quite good, although he made the mistake of thinking the US wouldn’t be able to interfere, or rather he underestimated his challenges moving forward. I like the political system in modern-day Cuba and what theyve been able to achieve despite not having much, and sacrificing quite a bit for the revolution. Would love to see what they make of themselves without a blockade, but the comparison with Haiti is already striking as it is.
Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.
socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?
165 comments.
Lmao wonder what happened here
Having anti capitalistic views in the fediverse is so important in times like this. Excluding the putin shills ofc.
That’s what most people generally agree with.
Opposing western wars is not being “pro Putin.”
“Await”? We’re deep into it.
Memes or it didn’t happen lmao
Have we still got any bourbons left?
There’s always bourbons left.
Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
It’s always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.
On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to “tankism” on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.
I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn’t work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.
It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.
I give .ml a tiny bit more lenience (think I spelled that right).
But they do remove comments in support of ukraine which is just objectively wrong.
You should look at OP’s post history. They’re probably responsible for most of those posts. They’re a serious problem poster. Definitely a pro-war, pro-NATO astroturfer. Hardcore anti-leftist psycho.
Go ahead, my post history is an open book lmao
idk they just seem like a bog standard Anglosphere liberal who has made “being online” their entire identity. The more time they waste posting, the less active they’ll be in the real world, so just let them rot their brains away in peace tbh.
Hey, I’m sure it pays well for them
I dunno bro, any one who has had the audacity to say something in support of Ukraine more than a few times on Lemmy has had the joyous experience of having multiple .ml users rant to them about Ukraine being run by Nazis. Or some other such nonsense.
I get that it’s unfair to generalize the entire instance. But .ml users like yourself, who consistently refuse to acknowledge the problem, act as a shield to these bad actors. Your instance has a problem, and if you all keep ignoring it, you become a safe-haven for it, and will eventually be consumed by it.
You put it perfectly, there is a lot of good people on those instances, but there is a few (very active) there that make those instances unbearable.
Except I have clear evidence documented of .ml’s tankieness with full context included.
Tankies are not socialists, they deny all the wrong doings of authoritarian regimes, they even deny that NK isn’t actually a dictatorship LMAO
.ml removes comments and posts for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK. How is that ok your book? I myself would love to see the fall of capitalism, but like I said before, not to just replace it with authoritarianism.
Edit: LMAO .ml unbanned and rebanned me just so that they could brigade my post lololol
Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about “tankies” on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.
But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post “evidence” that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it’s only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it’s fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about “tankies”.
The claim that .ml is censoring comments “for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK”, at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn’t be hard; the modlog is public.
That said, I’m personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don’t expect me to reply.
But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn’t be hard; the modlog is public.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
That’s exactly what I put together when I post to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
I try to capture the context + the actual modlog entry to complete the evidence
Oh and this other one I did which is a 3 in 1
I was on Hexbear and am on .ml. I don’t say and I don’t see anything like what you lot bang on about.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
You don’t see it because they’re quick to remove the things critical of their favored authoritarian regimes
It’s slowly starting to look like the next great influx as seen from Fedecan stats.
I’m just here because Boost finally stopped working for Reddit.
Welcome!
The straw that breaks the camel’s back!
September forever!
DBZer0 represent
Awww yeah
Tankie triad represent
The other 2 are explicitly communist but I’d never assume a lemmy.ml user is a tankie.
People who chose the thing run by the people who make the thing gang rise up
This post is complaining about disinformation being censored, which is good. Every website should censor disinformation regardless of source.
What disinformation?
The imgur album linked in the comment is almost 100% disinformation once it starts describing the alleged atrocities.
Is the disinformation that China does acknowledge the massacre?
The first removed comment shown in the post is someone falsely claiming that China has “constant efforts to pretend it didn’t happen”
The linked imgur album is also full of outright disinformation about the incident.
falsely claiming that China has “constant efforts to pretend it didn’t happen”
art thou trollingeth, knave?
No, they’re a tankie who wants to pretend they’re not
Should read more about your instance admin and consider changing instances. I know I won’t support that asshole
“that asshole” has been working below minimum wage, one unexpected financial burden away from homelessness, for the last four years to bring you Lemmy for free
What I’m saying is even if you disagree with his views, on the things that actually impact you, he’s been a great positive in your life
Just because someone does a selfless act, does not mean that they have carte blanche to spout dangerous misinformation and propaganda
What Dessalines spouts is by and large uncomfortable truths that are paved over by Western government misinformation and propaganda, your reaction is that of someone clinging to the lies they were raised with rather than accepting the truth.
I’ll be sure to tell the families of those who died in Tiananmen Square that that was all just “western government misinformation”
find me a post/comment where Dessalines denies that Tiananmen Square ever happened
Dessalines, right? I happen upon a lot of his Github issue threads on libraries that i use, which i think is interesting when i recognize the account. He seems normal there.
Other than that, looking at his Lemmy profile, it seems he gets into a lot of political arguments on subjects that i don’t know much about - i can’t tell if he’s unjustly hateful towards any group. I have heard he bans people a lot over these disagreements, which isn’t cool so i think your sentiment is fair.
Currently my only issue with .ml is the profanity filter but i don’t know anything about the other instances either. I imagine this conversation has been had a lot already but if i’m on Lemmy either way, what’s the difference in terms of support? If he’s a dick, i’d probably rather just switch to Kbin or PieFed
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to learn more about their (and the rest of the Tankie Triad’s) shenanigans. Though you’ll need to view it through another instance, because .ml blocks it to prevent their own users from seeing it. Talk about censorship LMAO
I got so many tanks man
Hey, how are you here? Please tell davel to stop screwing with my site ban and fix it.
I don’t want to lose my achievement :(
Thank you admins, we appreciate you. Mostly.
Aw, I like talking to you libs. ✌️
What’d they do this time?
There is so much "comment removed by reddit"s now.
They also flagged the word “luigi” as violence.
Support the wrong dictatorship. You’re only supposed to support the American one.
I oppose both.
That’s it? Asking for trade embargos to be lifted? Are you serious?
Lol no, tl;dr VodkaSolutions had commented “If, he [Trump] most likely goes down as the dumbest president of all the countries ever, even over the north Korean dictators” and that was removed by the .ml Tankie mods because he dared imply that NK was run by a dictator.
But straight NK propaganda is allowed to proliferate.
Clear evidence of enforcing pro-Russia/China/NK authoritarian mindset via mod/admin action aka Tankie
And that’s just the latest, which happened just yesterday, there’s much more at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Could you describe to me, in your own words, how the North Korean government functions and what elements make it a dictatorship? Because 99.99% of people who spout this nonsense don’t know shit about fuck and uncritically believe every single lie about that country that they hear from any given Western propaganda outlet.
Meh, what’s the big deal? Isn’t it good there’s an anti-US presence here? I like the intellectual diversity they bring, even if they’re often insufferable jerks about it.
It’s not so much the anti-US part, because honestly fuck the US gov and the shit they do lol, but more of the “China/Russia/NK can do NO WRONG/aren’t actually authoritarian governments simply because they oppose the US” parts
There was nothing wrong with the comment that got removed, and they do that all the time.
they just look that good because the point of comparison is the us empire.
red scare propaganda really seem to have a grip on westerners.
So just openly anti-leftist and trying to promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform. Real big brain move, doofus.
New Lemmy users, be aware: a lot of the Reddit astroturfers duplicate their efforts here. Lemmy.ml is a leftist and anti-war instance, so it gets a lot of pushback from the astroturfers. Be immediately suspicious of anyone talking shit of Lemmy.ml. It’s mostly bad actors and pro-war people.
Also, Lemmy.world is chock full of the same abusive and sketchy power mods from Reddit.
Tankies are anti-leftists. Full stop. Dressing it up in Soviet garb doesn’t make their ideology any less authoritarian.
They just label anyone who opposes European Nazis “tankies” now.
my fucking sides
new users, either believe we’re alt right astroturfers, or go to the tankie servers, familiarize yourself with their ideas, make your own opinion
I agree. They should look at Lemmy.ml to see what y’all are opposing.
Thank you for your accidental recruitment efforts.
I’m glad we can agree on this.
I was on .ml about 2 years before .world existed and discovered tankies and their ideas
russia amassing troops on the ukrainian border? just exercises, don’t believe western propaganda.
Days later, invasion. well no it’s actually ukraine invading russia (I shit you not)
oh well ok it’s a “military operation”, but that’s because they’re nazis, and bio weapon laboratories to attack russia. Etc,etcIf you have 2 braincells compare tankie and far right talking points, and underline the similarities
1810·1 month agocompare tankie and far right talking points
Right:
the trans are poisoning our children
Left:
Please link the upvoted opinions that you claim exist like “Ukraine is the one invading Russia” and agreeing it’s “just a military operation”.
You won’t, because you’re making this shit up. And I know you won’t because I’ve challenged far too many people to provide evidence of the wide variety of made up shit and none of them ever have.
it’s most likely from
yogsaronyogtos or agreeable landscapeI took screenshots, I’ll try to dig for them
Edit: so it was Donbas invasion, my bad, it’s hard to remember bullshit. if I find enough screenshots maybe I’ll make a post to show what c/worldnews on .ml looked like before the reddit migration. Here you see some resistance, but believe me it was mainly tankies, and those absurd posts were upvoted. Sometimes people were trying to inject some sanity, but against the incessant flow of upvoted propaganda, would cash out.
Typical post mocking the absurdity of an invasion (they were a dime a dozen):
NATO was amassing troops & missile deployments on the border with Ukraine for years. Since Obama.
Almost like Ukraine has been invaded by them before, perhaps during said presidents second term?
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Yeah see it’s bullshit like that which makes everyone point and laugh at you guys
For like three months before the invasion, Western sources were egging it on with everything they had. Tankies mostly got it wrong by assuming that Putin would be smart enough not to take the bait, because we all recognized that it would be a disastrously bad idea.
Oh hey we were right about that much at least.
Look at the mental gymnastics required so they can end the comment with
Oh hey we were right
And feel better about themselves. Pathetic
They should check out hexbear too.
Lol .ml is not leftist, they’re authoritarians.
.ml site-bans people for their speech even on other instances, now that’s a page right out of the reddit power tripping mod handbook when you’d get banned from a sub because you interacted with another sub they didn’t like
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
At least here the modlog is public and I can document the speech that .ml actually removes
I do think .ml is a little too intense, but op is also kinda right about .world imo. Come to dbzero, we’ve got anarchism and piracy
Also we’re all cool and intelligent and attractive.
Obviously
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They’re 100% BlueMAGA in my opinion.
Hate to break it to ya, but most people on Reddit are in fact anti-tankie
Also please show me my last post on this because it has been a while lmao
I think “most” people just believe uncritically the things they were taught growing up, that is until something happens that shakes that belief and they either choose to double down or reexamine their previous assumptions. All the new western tankies from the past decade-ish aren’t coming from nowhere!
Anti-tankies aren’t getting banned because they’re not supporting leftists and Luigi, genius. They’re allowed to stay on Reddit and post NATO propaganda to their heart’s content.
Tankie!= Leftists, Tankies = authoritarians
For example, I myself 1000% support Luigi and shit on my gov all the time lmao
But I am absolutely anti-tankie, because I do not support authoritarianism regardless of if it’s the US or China/Russia
Yes, you’ve attempted to play yourself off as leftist-adjacent to push these topics before. We’ve gotten into back and forths on this multiple times, and every time you’re provided a source that the western talking points you’re pushing are debunked, you repeat the State Dept propaganda verbatim.
Throw in some cookies and I’d be there.
What about pirated cookbooks with cookie recipes?
True, I think .world does over do it a bit, but I think it’s more just because they’re such a large instance that bad moderation decisions are much more frequent
Unlike .ml, where the mods/admins methods push a clear narrative
Censorship I agree with is still censorship. I’m not a free speech absolutist but I realize that my views are not universal. For example, a Nazi would say I’m pushing the narrative that there is a single human race
Thank god you’re documenting the very important and widely censored speech like… checks links “we were gonna ban you anyway!!”.
Phew, this constructive dialogue will not go unheard by the people. Free speech is restored.
Locking while we sift through all the reports.
