No, fuck off, how very dare you suggest such a thing you horrid bastard you, just you wait, I’m going to punch you in the elbow and knock over your second-favourite house plant for insinuating such lies
Hey. You don’t talkt to op like this you fucking degenerate piece of shit, we’re all being nice to each other!
I’ve blocked both of you idiots
Here’s the thing.
The last 10 years have proven that organized online hostility is VERY EFFECTIVE at dictating public opinion.
That’s how we got the new fascist movements. Trump and the like. Because right wing hostility and bigotry went not only unchecked institutionally but unchallenged socially.
No solution has emerged for that from an institutional level.
So yeah, my socialist ass is fighting back. I’ll be damned if I’m going to spend the rest of my life under these fucking wastes of flesh and their bullshit antiquated opinions. I’m done taking it and I’m done tolerating it. Fuck every last republican and homophobe and transphobe and complicit liberal. All of them. And wouldn’t you know it, little by little they’re backing down when we stand up to them like the cowards they are.
Yes, I am deliberately far more hostile online, because it WORKS. And clearly nobody with institutional control cares enough to try anything else.
Fuck you!
Fuck you and I’ll see you tomorrow!
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Who the fuck says I’m hostile ? Fuck you
“Why are online discussions about politics more hostile than offline discussions?
A popular answer argues that human psychology is tailored for face-to-face interaction and people’s behavior therefore changes for the worse in impersonal online discussions…
Across eight studies, leveraging cross-national surveys and behavioral experiments (total N = 8,434), we test the mismatch hypothesis but only find evidence for limited selection effects.
Instead, hostile political discussions are the result of status-driven individuals who are drawn to politics and are equally hostile both online and offline.
Finally, we offer initial evidence that online discussions feel more hostile, in part, because the behavior of such individuals is more visible online than offline.”This fits with our understanding of personality disorders, which is that they are a small percentage of our society—around 10.5 percent, according to the recent DSM-5-TR.3
I try to avoid all politics online because it’s all raging and it’s honestly depressing that 10.5% can dominate a space like that.
Then you probably won’t like the thought that an even smaller percentage of people who think they need to get ever richer and control ever more aspects of ever more people’s lives are basically ruining our offline world.
I would prefer a star trek utopia, that’s for sure.
IMO, the reason is because scientists haven’t found a way to punch someone in their face over the internet yet.
I’ve long thought that phones needed a taze button. Every telephone in the world should have the power to deliver a high power electric shock to the user, and the phone network should only allow the callee to taze the caller. So if you call someone, the person you have called can taze you.
I don’t see any problem with the telephone network that can’t be solved by putting a 30,000 volt potential across the caller’s jaw. Make it work on call bots too, if a computer automatically calls you and you don’t want it to, put Shearon Harris on the line. Modern problems require 2nd Amendment solutions, and if you elect me as your president in 2028 it is these policies that I shall energetically enact.
I like to carry an air horn for when scammers and other nuisances call.
How often do you have to go get the mics on your phone replaced?
Not yet. 😂
Dang! Some decent hardware then! How bout your own hearing? Getting tinnitus yet? What level of hearing protection are you using?
I’m an old Army veteran, I’ve had tinnitus for years. I’m using a Pixel.
Sorry, pardon?
Never even fiddled around with someone else’s Pixel, how do you like it?
Clearly it deals with being blasted by an air horn 3-15+ times a day, other than robust mics how is the build quality?
I have. I honestly try not to be. There’s just so many uncaring shits online. It makes me sick to think of how fucked up these trolls are to relish causing others distress. Then I become a dick
I’m trying to be better
I feel like I’m fighting a one-person crusade every time I respond politely to some jerk online. Last night I couldn’t sleep because some rando on the internet said mean things. Why are humans like this? Why can’t we just be nice? Sometimes I feel like we deserve to go extinct.
Because everyone wants to be popular. Most people don’t have the tools to be popular through kindness so they simply act like the other orcs instead.
IMO online commenters are increasingly showing pathological binary thinking - the attitude that there are exactly two sides to every issue - the Right one and the Wrong one. Questioning ANY aspect of the Right one means you’re obviously a hardcore supporter of EVERY aspect of the Wrong one. You’re either morally and ethically pure or your character is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. To me it’s a really paradoxical way of thinking about diversity and acceptance - more like we’re supposed to either wholeheartedly embrace people or despise them.
It’s not new, it happened a lot on Reddit, and I get a bit of that in real life too.
People are tribalist, and that sucks.
For example, if you read Lemmy comments without any real world experience, you’d think everyone who voted for Trump hates brown people and wants poor people to die. But I have family and close friends who voted for that douchebag, and they are good people, they just thought he’s a better option (and they generally don’t follow politics too much). And I don’t blame them, Harris had a crappy campaign, basically promising the same bad policies Biden had, and Clinton before her was worse. Why should they be interested in politics if we keep getting poor options?
People aren’t black and white. Yet we caricaturize them as such.
This is usually how people treat fascists. Not sure what’s surprising about it
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Yeah. I see a surprising amount of it on Lemmy. It is behavior I’m used to seeing from the far right, Qanon, and other brainwashed vectors. I watched the Russians propagandize the right on Reddit.
These, however, are nominal leftists engaging in stark black and white thinking. I’m not sure if they’re state level shills, bots, really believe it and are brainwashed tankies, or true believers living in China or similar. Maybe it’s dumb kids being taken in by propaganda.
I think it’s more dumb kids than anything.
I try to correct it where I can because hopefully a handful will reconsider their stance and grow as a person, but they certainly won’t admit to it.
I agree - the tone of so many posts is very similar to 13-year-olds calling mom a bitch for making them go to the dentist.
Calling the binary thinkers leftists or shills of some other thing is just another form of simplistic binary thinking - put a black hat on them and boom, you’re done. I think this is a lot of people’s way of dealing with the constant firehose of information we think we have to process because it’s in our endless feeds. We have an always full inbox, and some of us deal with that by processing each item as fast as possible, using minimal thought to tell ourselves we’ve got it figured out so we can swipe on it and scroll on to the next issue. This is leading to a pattern of superficial snap judgements, stereotyping, and ultimately various forms of social bigotry.
The point I’m driving at is that they are spouting leftist talking points but have cranked up the fervor to 11. It’s frothing at the mouth type behavior and it genuinely confuses me as to if that is a real viewpoint or a shill. I’m not making a binary snap judgment, I’m questioning if that’s even a real person and what happened to them if they are real.
Oh sorry, you said “nominal” leftists and I misinterpreted.
Seems to be a positive trend happening. Instead of just nothing but toxic trolls. People are starting to push back on the mindless bullshit that is ruining the world.
Agreed, the toxic assholes have been here since the beginning, everyone else is just finally pushing back.
Back in the day I just assumed everyone was lying. Or trying to get people worked up, and we called them trolls.
Learning how to ignore the trolls, and not having trust for strangers on the internet, coupled with the ability to basically not care what random people said is a lost art.
Somehow people forgot to give other the people this memo, including the “you don’t fucking join social networks as your self”. Anonymity makes this all work.
Eternal September newbies just didn’t get it.
One of the differences these days is that marginalized groups are having their existences threatened… and not hollow threats, but meaningful ones that have had, and continue to have, very real consequences in the form of policies, hate crimes, etc.
That is legitimate, very real violence, and it results in very understandable hostility. And then those perpetuating, supporting, and celebrating the violence pretend they are victims when people treat them like the orcs they are.
“Why are you being so divisive?” “You’re not very TOLERANT of different opinions, are you?” “Why are you so angry all the time, snowflakes?”
Violent bullies need to be put in their place, and with more than just “hostility on the internet”.
People who enploy hate speech need to have their access to internet revoked, I feel. Though I wonder if that won’t open up all sorts of nasty backdoors…
Hear, hear! I miss the days when trolling used to mean piss take. If someone is trolling, troll them back!
Somehow people forgot to give other the people this memo, including the “you don’t fucking join social networks as your self”. Anonymity makes this all work.
I do get into political debates, but I don’t overshare my real info and I certainly don’t ban anyone for disagreeing with me. I find it cringe if anyone bans someone for disagreement to maintain “mental health”. Unless someone is stalking or making a calculated harrasment on the person online, sure ban or report the troll, but banning someone because the person does not have a good response shows pettiness and immaturity.
Yeah the block and ban thing these days is really weird.
If someone is harassing you, then I guess it makes sense. But otherwise why do people do that?
fuck no we aren’t.
anyone who says otherwise can fight me.
Yes, and it’s a good thing. The Paradox of Tolerance. If we want a world where people are free to choose and believe and live unique and different lives, we cannot stand by and do nothing while intolerant assholes live their lives.
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yea, f_ck’ em
No I just hate you all equally
Man, this is sacred. This should be the first line in Intro to Internet.
Always have, always will.
