Absolutely needed: to get high efficiency for this beast … as it gets better, we’ll become too dependent.
“all of this growth is for a new technology that’s still finding its footing, and in many applications—education, medical advice, legal analysis—might be the wrong tool for the job,”
as it gets better
Bold assumption.
Yeah, I think there was some efforts, until we found out that adding billions of parameters to a model would allow both to write the useless part in emails that nobody reads and to strip out the useless part in emails that nobody reads.
I want my emails to be a series of noises that only computers can hear and communicate with
The energy issue almost feels like a red herring for distracting all idiots from actual AI problems and lemmy is just gobbling it up every day. It’s so tiring.
That’s because it IS an issue, together with many other issues like disinformation, over reliance, wrong tools for wrong (most) jobs, etc.
The international energy agency estimates that the total electricity consumption for AI worldwide was around 415 TWh per year as of 2024. That’s more than the UK uses.
Partly, yep. Seems like every time I try to pin down an AI on a detail of a question worth asking - a math question, or a date in history, it’ll confidently reply with the first answer it finds … right or wrong.
I don’t think accuracy is an issue either. I’ve been on the web since inception and we always had a terribly inaccurate information landscape. It’s really about individual ability to put together found information to an accurate world model and LLMs is a tool just like any other.
The real issues imo are effects on society be it information manipulation, breaking our education and workforce systems. But all of that is overshadowed by meme issues like energy use or inaccuracy as these are easy to understand for any person while sociology, politics and macro economics are really hard.
How does crypto mining play into all of the electrical need? I know they used to use a butt load.
It should be clarified that it’s 99.99% Bitcoin mining that’s wasting all that energy, any other crypto that still uses mining is basically irrelevant when compared to it
Its worth it for school essays and prawn jesus though.
Does the article answer the question of what is the footprint of a prompt?
Depends on the prompt, the model, the parameters, which DCs, time of day, location in the world, and other factors. They answer the question but there’s so many variables that can affect footprint (and big hyperscalers do not release this data so you have to under a lot)
Basically nothing worth getting angry about
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The matrix is getting more and more real every day
Fire bad, who cook with fire, fire burn, fire pollute, fire baaaaad
Yes, “AI” is literally contributing to the burning of the planet.
https://www.cleanairfund.org/news-item/wildfires-climate-change-and-air-pollution-a-vicious-cycle/
So is the computer you’re using
What’s your point here?
They’re trying to compare “AI” to fire. If you don’t see the point, I can’t blame you.
At some point, someone said the same thing about:
- electricity
- books
- cars
- computers
- medicine
- houses
Is this /c/technology or /c/anti_technology because it’s hard to tell most of the time.
Cars are literally privileged garbage that’s destroying the planet. Great comparison on that one.
Is this /c/technology or /c/anti_technology because it’s hard to tell most of the time.
Well only one of those is allowed to exist so you figure it out.
You might have heard of these fossil fuels we’re busily running out of. And fossil is still 80% of primary energy use so there is no renewable energy transition, and renewable infrastructure is being built almost exclusively using fossil fuels.
So this means future energy rationing. What’s the business case for AI?
What’s the business case for AI?
printing money by deception. oh and also votes, probably.
Also telling me how to install arch Linux but sing it to me as a Kenny Loggins
Verse 1 Reboot your rig and hit the USB, Boot it up live from the Arch IS-OOOHH-B! You’re in the zone now, terminal’s lit, You gotta ping that net and make sure it’s legit!
(CHORUS) Highway to the Arch install, (Gonna fly into the…) Highway to the Arch install!
Verse 2 Partition time with cfdisk — no fear, Format your root with mkfs.ext4 my dear. Mount it up with a little mount /dev/sdX, Now you’re rolling smooth, yeah you’re onto the next!
(CHORUS) Highway to the Arch install, (Gonna fly into the…) Highway to the Arch install!
Bridge Mirror, mirror, set 'em fast, reflector knows how to make that last. Then pacstrap /mnt base linux — so fly, Installin’ Arch, baby, you’re touching the sky!
(Slow breakdown) genfstab, then chroot in, Now you’re living life like a power sysadmin…
Final Chorus – belt it! Highway to the Arch install, You’re flying, configuring it aaaaall! Bootloader, locale, make that call — You’re livin’ the dream with no safety net at all!
Highway… to the Arch install…
Restricting our energy use is not a very good end game. We need to learn how to unlock more energy production without destruction of the environment. This will happen through technological development. Temporarily rationing or conservation may be needed, but permanent is not the answer.
May I interest you in this resource? https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9js5291m
I’m not interested in books championing our reduction of human expansion. I want to see us reach out into the stars one day. Technological development and progress is needed. We need to also change our mindset on current systems. E.g., if it doesn’t maximize return on investment, forget about it. If there is a way to do it slightly cheaper even if it’s detrimental, do it cheaper. That mindset sucks.
Just develop fully autopoietic artificial photosynthetic systems. Piece of cake.
When AI was getting popular, the media released an absolute war against it. A lot of us are swayed by what the media tell us
That’s probably going to be one of the main weapons against us, the media generating fake news using AI to control us.
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Is this /c/technology or /c/anti_technology because it’s hard to tell most of the time.
People here are generally anti-anything. That’s what echo chambers are for.
It’s much better to be a critical thinker than mindlessly accepting whatever BS from some grifter just because it’s “accepted wisdom” in a completely brainwashed society.
I’m gladly you’re one of the few non-brainwashed humans on the Earth. So special!
I am biased, I am having a ton of fun with LLMs and they are helping me achieve some personal goals. Do they use energy? Sure. Will new, more powerful technologies come along later that require even greater amounts of energy? I hope so one day. We need to find cleaner more abundant energy sources.
Sounds like most of Lemmy. Honestly sometimes I feel it’s worse than Reddit with the constant bashing on anything except Linux, Firefox, or - for some reason - Steam. Still glad I left Reddit though.
I can hate on Firefox if it’ll make you feel better.
Nuclear power seems to be one of those things that are anything but bashed here but instead gets treated with an almost worship-like reverence.
I didn’t leave reddit, because I consider useful the subs I use (mostly technical stuff). And yes, you’re right about the constant bashing on anything out of the herd mentality.
