Sorry yankees: Trump is a symptom, not a cause.
Exactly. If anything jabba the hut is the result of people being fed up from the entire corrupt political system.
Even if Trump is gone in three years, the MAGA people are still there and so is Vance, Thiel, Musk, and others. That doesn’t sound very reassuring to me.
The billionaire is basically have everything locked in right now. They’ve even managed to just walk right into government institutions to f*** things up steal our data and fire people without the authority.
They’re going to go to war with us financially next.
There is only one solution to billionaires: they should not exist. However you want to understand this statement is correct.
That would be ideal.
Like a toxic ex going “but I’ve changed”…
Like a toxic ex going “but I’ve changed”…
The appropriate answer to that is “so have I…” cocks shotgun.
So people joke about Obama getting the Nobel prize but it felt like it was the rest of the world rewarding the US for choosing sanity after 8 years of Bush.
There was a hope for things to get back to “normal”. Before then I remember Americans often wore Canadian flags cause the hatred was so high. I think people forget how badly the US fucked up then. (And this was the general feeling—not just the left who are well aware of the decades of problematic behaviour)
We’ve welcomed the US back once. Never again.
You keep fucking up the entire world because of your egos and your hate.
No “we’ve changed” or “we will change” rhetoric will work again until those who have caused this face consequences.
Fix yourselves before appealing for forgiveness.
I get it, we don’t deserve trust. What would you look for to decide we can be trusted again though? I’m worried we’d need to rewrite the constitution to put in serious guardrails of some sort. Congress and Judiciary were supposed to be the guardrail, and they’re failing pretty hard. What system can truly protect against bad actors with power?
Trust takes time. No set of laws can be trusted until we have seen them work in practice. It will take time.
There are many systems that can work. I don’t think anyone in the rest of the world cares how you implement and safeguard the democracy. Just that you do it.
I think what is needed to repair relationships outward — and something that so many nonMAGA Americans lack — is humility. Look at the arrogance the UK had over Brexit and where they are today (albeit it could still get worse for them with reform). But they are moving slowly back to Europe and they will have a much lower standing for a very long time because of their utter stupidity. Thats what it will likely be, but amplified even more, for you guys. The trust is truly shattered.
When the glass is broken and trust is gone, it takes a lot if time, if any to heal. Europe should just go for strategic autonomy, in energy, defence, tech, anywhere. Then deal with whomever as equal and not as a subservient. I’m sure Democrats would not object that kind of relationship
Economically the EU is an equal, the issue is military and overall cohesiveness. The EU needs to be able to act unilaterally in ways that are going to piss off it’s own member states. The challenge is creating a framework where that’s possible, without creating an unaccountable force, or constant bickering indecision.
Of course they’d object, they want vassals, not allies. Republicans are a whole lot more vocal and obvious about it.
It’s worth noting that everyday Dems often want very different things than the “leadership Dems” that are in power under corporate and foreign influence. I don’t want vassals - a tiny silver lining of Trump is American hegemony in decline. Thats only a good if Authoritarians don’t step into that gap. I hope EU can be the standard bearer and defender of liberal (as opposed to illiberal) democracy in the world until we get our shit together
Yeah exactly, when I say Democrats, it’s the establishment Democrats, not the average Democrat voters (at least, I hope so).
Thats only a good if Authoritarians don’t step into that gap
No, it’s good even if authoritarians (thinking of China here) step into the gap. It’s hard for Europeans to properly appreciate how absurdly evil US hegemony is and has been, and how much blood is on their hands for supporting it/kowtowing to it over the years. I’d rather have China as the world hegemon than, say, France frankly, and that’s not out of my love for China; the EU has a lot of introspection to do if it wants to avoid America’s fate, and I find this narrative of the EU as the innocent victim unfairly bullied by big brother America/last bastion of human rights to be very counterproductive towards that end.
For a glimpse, see Hong Kong
First, this is a non-sequitur as there’s no direct relation between how China governs its territory and the kind of conditions it imposes/would impose on imperial vassals; by this logic Western (neo)colonialism must be “nice” and democratic because Western countries were until 2024 all democratic (hint: It fucking isn’t). Second, despite the authoritarianism Hong Kong has one of the highest standards of living in the world, higher even than mainland China. What exactly is your point here?
I’m fully convinced that the United States have nothing more than a controlled opposition at this point. It’s honestly hard to imagine a world in which an authoritarian government willingly gives up power through elections without any major upheaval. I’d personally want to see a Romanian scenario, but I fear the land of the free and home of the brave doesn’t have it in itself to get rid of a dictatorship.
We will have proof when we have eaten the pudding surrounding it.
or Donors/billionaires are freaked out right now and want to still do business in EU, and trotting out patsies in the DNC to say what they want to hear.
Trump may be gone but he’s pulled back the curtain and exposed the US for who they are. Too many in the US fully support him. Even many Democrats support at least some of what he does.
Democrats seek to reassure Europe about post-Trump America
This whole thing is so awfully awkward and unreal. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but;
- If Democrats are trying to reassure Europe, that’s a very bad sign
- If they do that, it’s becasue they feel, need or want to use Europe to get some leverage against Trump
- Somehow they perceive that Europe can or should save US from itself
- They are asking Europe because there’s no-one else.
If anything, its actually a sign of how dire the situation is, because they fear there might not be a democracy left Post-Trump.
If there is anything I can read into this, it’s best if we all be prepared for the worst.
Especially, condidering UK send an aircraft carrier to Greenland in context of the Munich Sec Conference and that a noteworthy letter was send to UK & German newspapers, quote:
" (…), the complexity of threats demands a whole-of-society approach and an honest, continent-wide conversation with the public that defence cannot be the preserve of uniformed personnel alone. It is a task for each and every one of us."
If anything, its actually a sign of how dire the situation is, because they fear there might not be a democracy left Post-Trump.
The EU doesn’t speak out for Cuba. Biden lifted sanctions meaninglessly on Cuba in 2025, after he lost the election, and Trump could reinstantiate them.
Trump is just the bad cop in a good cop, bad cop situation. The situation is much, much more dire because there is not a democracy that could be destroyed.
Project 2025 was known and European media stayed silent about it instead of informing Americans. The EU doesn’t restrict US social media for its own citizens like they banned RT. Instead Britain and the EU are pushing hard for their own surveillance state.
only because PALINTIR has been trying to peddle its AI surveillance tech to EU since last year.
the DNC wants to maintain the status quo and not lose elections to more “progressive candidates” so they want EU to bypass that somehow and keep thier positions(either through funding or lobbying certain states?, which they are desperate for donor money.)
they shouldnt have ENDED THE shutdown so soon, when they were gaining so much political capital from it, now they are seen nothing more than gop-lite.
so dems have a message for europe. where is the message for us citizens? who’s the priority - citizens or businesses worried about their wallets as europe turns away from us businesses (TECH)? i’m curious how they think they will repair our country and democracy.
There’s a widespread view in Europe, which I happen to share, that the US is lost - for a considerable time. It’s unlikely to be a dependable ally for at least a generation.
This is going to hurt Europe, but in the longer term US isolationism will hurt the US more than it will hurt the rest of the world. It makes a lot of sense for the opposition party in the US to be trying to prepare the ground for a repair of those relationships if and when they gett into power.
Good luck to them, but I think it’s going to be too late.
I don’t think the dems will try to fix anything if they get into power. They will try to appear more moderate but I don’t think they will really back out of the most changes. They’re paid off by the same masters.
the DNC is making that message, so i suspect its to prevent many of thier seats getting primaried in 26 and 28, they want EU ceos/corporations, banks likely funding the gop/turmp to put pressure on them somehow?
It’s just a little slimy, it’s still good!
-Homer chasing after the runaway roast hog.
The deer’s famous last words, out of the lion’s mouth: “This is not as bad as it looks!”
The bad news: Yeah no, because there’s no political will in America to actually address the root cause that lead to this.
The “good” news: Yeah no, because MAGA isn’t going anywhere, so we don’t need to test this theory.
