Thank you to all the admins and donators who kept lemm.ee going.
Wherever you guys migrate, please stop concentrating the userbase around lemmy.world, that’s exactly what we’re trying to avoid with Lemmy to begin with. The best thing you can do is go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and choose a server that’s not in the top 10 or so. This will also help avoid things like the admins/mods burning out
Yeah I was gonna try out piefed and mbin but if those don’t work out for me any lemmy instance suggestions? J was thinking lemmy.zip or any instance who only defederates with spam/illegal stuff
Apparently db0 and lemmy.zip are two such instances that broadly federate
Ooh good to onow
lemmy.today doesn’t block any instances. But db0 is good too, I’ve been happy with it.
.wolrd is the only instance I have been able to stay on so far.
Every smaller one I try bans me for minor disagreements or wrongthink. They all feel like exclusive clubs that they don’t really want people to join, but will then whine about low user numbers.
The larger spaces have admins that are more often held accountable and put on blast, it’s just the nature of these kinds of spaces.
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There are some sites that show what instances are de-federated from that. People can use that as a guide as well, if there are instances they don’t really want feeds from due to their underlying circumstances. They should also check the admins and modlog so they don’t run into surprises later down the line.
Oh ……oh God, why!!! Why!? It’s too soon!!! 😭😩too soon!
Definitely
I’ll be honest i don’t get what people differentiate so much about instances. most of the time i don’t even notice what instance people I’m talking to are from, what instance the community in browsing is from, what instance the meme I’m viewing is from… is it about the software you’re using that you’re so aware of these things?
Different admins; some instances federate with some, some block others.
Community cultures, mostly, as trimmed and pruned by admins. Most instances I don’t notice massive differences in, with a few exceptions.
unless its coming from .ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. the comments cant get annoying.
Well, that is unless they are coming from .ml 😒
Rich coming from a .worder
Childish people love to argue about childish things.
Thank you, not just for showing respect and appreciation to the people behind Lemm.ee but because these posts are a magnet for the kind of trolls everyone should block before migrating elsewhere. 👌
Here’s an entitled ass to add to your collection lol https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19001249
They sound like they want to speak to the manager.
That’s an unfortunate situation with slrpnk.net. Not having anyone able to physically access a server for weeks was really tempting fate, though.
You’re not crying, I’m crying!
Why? What is going on?
lemm.ee is shutting down, due to admin burnout.
Isn’t the whole point of lemmy is you don’t “have” to monitor it with admins?
No, the point is that it’s not controlled by any one megacorp or nation state. Being an open social media platform it’s still going to have shitty people trying to attack its infrastructure to try to silence others or tilt voting the way they want or just chaotically troll the hell out of people. Admins are needed to protect it from that.
I do see why you’re saying that, but a server without admins would rapidly become a breeding ground for entirely illegal discussions, and it would be at least defederated pretty rapidly
oh yea thats why alot of them dissociated with the tankies, and some illegal porn ones, especially csam.
Yeah but like who’s gonna get mad if there’s no corporate to report to. There’s no ad space to sell. So you are spending energy moderation to what end?
I’m just trying to understand the setup I guess. I just assumed people started lemmy to get away from over moderation on reddit. I been here since the api crackdown on reddit.
Legal authorities operating in the host country will not be thrilled if you have an instance filled with csam, and all sane users will also want to be heavily distanced from it. The latter applies to any content widely deemed objectionable, not just to illegal material - which makes the motive for moderation pretty reasonable IMO. If the moderation for a instance doesn’t suit the users, users and communities are free to move to an instance that better suits them, and this does happen. It’s a strength of the fediverse.
moderating is for mods. admins are there to keep lemmy.ee running. much like reddit still needs admins to run things, minus thier ability to ban accounts arbitrarily.
No? What?
most of the admins left due to stress, or lack of hiring. thats why its shutting down.
I really liked lemm.ee because it didn’t defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.
But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can’t be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.
That’s a disturbingly good point.
To be fair, lemm.ee didn’t really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren’t really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.
Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I’m sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.
Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they’ll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn’t a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.
I’m just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
Thanks, that’s interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.
But I’ve been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.
For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can’t easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it’s just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).
Maybe there’s some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.
Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.
Yeah. There is a userscript called “Lemmy Universal Link Switcher” (link) that helps with that, but of course it’s just an UI fix.
lemmyee grew too fast for its own good, with the reddit purges.
“We’ll meet again. Dunno where. Dunno when.”
Lemm.ee was my home instance. I will miss it dearly. I wasn’t as active as I probably could have been, but I’m still sad.
isn’t there like 26 more days to go?
Yeah, but there’s no point in continuing to use it at this point.
Personally I disagree. Now would be the time to go into posting overdrive and really let the instance go out with a real bang.
The main problem would be that all the images disappear with it.
Of course, I could use an external host.
There’s the fun of it, it all goes poof like a dream. It’s an opportunity for lemeeeee people to truly let down their hair and fully be their own quirky selves for one brief moment.
Yeah no.
to be fair, in my experance outside of .ml .ee was one of the least toxic general instance around, and I am worried .world the most toxic one I experence, will grow
.ml is way more toxic than .world.
.world is the most toxic by far
