Summary
Jasmine Mooney, a 35-year-old Canadian woman, has been detained in U.S. immigration facilities since March 3 after attempting to enter with an incomplete Trade NAFTA work visa application.
She was initially held at San Ysidro border crossing before being transferred in chains to detention centers in San Diego and Arizona.
Her mother, Alexis Eagles, reports inhumane conditions including overcrowded concrete cells with constant lighting and inadequate facilities.
Business partner BJ McCaslin called the situation a “nightmare” while Global Affairs Canada confirmed they’re aware but unable to intervene in U.S. immigration matters.
It’s starting to seem like Canada should issue a travel advisory against going to the USA.
In some ways I hope it doesn’t come to that. In others … I mean, I’d win a friendly bet if it happened, so there’s that.
If I were in charge, that’s exactly what I would do. “US ICE agents are detaining Canadian citizens at the border. Until and unless US agents stop detaining Canadians at the border and return those they have detained, we are advising Canadian citizens to not travel to the USA.” Post it right next to all other Canadian travel advisories.
And do what Lithuania did at the Belarusian border: There are signs telling pretty much the analogue to what you’re suggesting. On the roadside while approaching the border. As physical signs.
If you guys do that take pictures and send them to America so we can put them in political ads.
Here’s an article that includes a picture like you asked: https://www.orla.fm/a-disturbing-message-on-the-lithuanian-border-do-not-travel-to-belarus-you-may-not-come-back/
Ooo thank you.
Honestly yeah, if a paperwork fuck up can get you detained for more than 24 hours there’s something seriously wrong and travelling there is dangerous for the border police alone.
There already is a travel advisory in Canada. It’s more personal though.
If I tell my friend I’m going to the states they’ll stage an intervention.
“You’re desire to travel to the US hurts me in the following ways…”
Not just Canada, there’s similar stories for a lot of nationalities, every country should be putting out warnings.
The US has lost it’s mind.
Couple the immigration issues with the fact that planes keep falling out of the sky in their air space due to air traffic control being gutted and even flying to Canada starts becoming dangerous too.
I’ll be avoiding the whole of North America for the foreseeable future, it’s just not safe.
When the courts said it was legal for a billionaire to spend 250 million to buy votes, I knew there was nothing left of our Democracy. I asked around, no one I knew had 250 million to buy votes for Kamala. Sorry guys.
Not just Canada…
If this is how they treat a white Canadian businesswoman, imagine what they’re doing to non-white migrants. System’s rotten to the core.
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theres a channel 5 segment on it, the dude decided to cross from mexico with “coyotes” back into the US, as an american, and they got caught. spent several days in shite conditions, and talks about whole process. its pretty interesting.
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America is now an axis of evil state. No better than Iran or Russia.
“Axis of evil” was a phrase coined by W in order to justify his highly illegal “war on terror”, and we’re still paying the price for that. Just adopting a propaganda concept this stupid as a viable way to categorize nations is not a good move.
Recycling is very important if we are going to avoid environmental catastrophe.
Hence Starmer used the phrase ‘Coalition of the willing’
Save the planet one phrase at a time!
More like the war of terror
I do not find it a coincidence that its been happening specifically to young women. Yet to see 6’2 Canadian male hockey player get grabbed.
That could just be the media’s bias in reporting.
Yeah, same happens with kidnapping and murder victims. There’s a reason it’s called Missing White Woman Syndrome. The media is extremely biased towards covering attractive young white women who have gone missing, while virtually every other demographic gets ignored. Asian and Latina women are often covered disproportionately as well, but not to the extent that missing white women are covered. Black women get almost no coverage, and the same goes for men of basically every race and age.
I remember many years ago, there were two little girls that went missing about the same time. One was white, the other black. The little white girl just got lost and was found pretty quickly, and her story dominated the news for weeks. Meanwhile, the little black girl (I think it was in West Virginia) had been kidnapped by a sadistic couple who abused and tortured her until one night she chewed through her bindings, escaped, and trekked through the forest for days before finding help. She barely got a “missing girl found” blurb on the news. The fact that she barely got any news coverage actually became a bigger story later on than her actual kidnapping did at the time. It was infuriating.
Don’t even get me started on the missing and murdered indigenous women (MMIW) phenomenon that not only gets next to zero media coverage, but also a severe lack of law enforcement attention.
With MMIW, often the cops are involved/know more than they let on. “Starlight tours” I don’t think are just a Canadian thing.
Yeah, the way we treat the native peoples of this land is abhorrent.
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Sure but I also remember trumps first term where thousands of specifically migrant women in US custody were unaccounted for for months. Im not in the habbit of giving people with track records of human trafficking benefits of doubt.
maybe! americans DO hate women really really passionately. there was a famous canadian author who wrote a book about it.
Some Americans do. Other Americans hate those Americans fairly passionately.
I would argue that we are not americans. just people who were born here and can’t get out.
I guarantee you they do not care. This is far more likely to be media bias. If they’re detaining her for an incomplete visa instead of just turning her around then they’re detaining people every day, no matter their nationality or body build. It sounds cool to think they’d be afraid of a large guy but the US police are sadly just more likely to kill them with guns.
This is far more likely to be media bias.
Yeah the story of the German girl it happened to around the same time included her talking about a Spanish lad in the cell with her for the same thing.
Not saying it wasn’t reported on in Spain but I didn’t see his case anywhere in the news.
It did happen to an Irish girl too last month. Fortunately we’ve fairly decent relations with the US but unfortunately it didn’t sound like her treatment was any better than this tbh.
Now it come back around to the white people
no amount of conformity will ever make you safe under fascism. the noose will always tighten to meet the fascists’ needs for torture. once the old enemy is eliminated a new hegemony will be homogenized and the torture will continue either at the same pace or accelerated.
it’s not really about skin tone, accent, visa access, sexual identity, gender identity, or even political stance. it’s about that the fascists must other, and they will other you any way that thy can.
White-Canadians now have the rare experience to feel what it is like to be brown in America.
Inhuman treatment of others is the first sign you might be a closet Nazi. Our nation has soiled the bed, and keeps rolling around in it insisting nothing is wrong.
How to make anyone scared to ever visit your country again…
B.C. woman held in detention for 11 days after trying to enter U.S. to be released, father says
Grateful to the family using their privledge and platform to talk about the conditions at the San Ysidro border crossing, the San Diego cells, and in San Luis Regional Detention Center. Keeping the lights on all the time is torture.
“There’s 30 other people in her cell that have not even been spoken to by a detention caseworker. So there are people in there whose families don’t know where their kids are.” - Jasmine’s father, Stephen Mooney.
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[B.C. Premier David Eby] also said he was “profoundly concerned about these kind of actions” by the U.S. administration, saying they “violate the very idea that Canadians are safe in the U.S. when we visit.”
“The nature of our relationship is so fraught right now that this case makes us all wonder, you know, what about our relatives who are working in the States? What about when we cross the border, what kind of experience are we gonna have?” Eby said.
Yukon Premier Ranj Pillai also weighed in on Thursday, with a letter to the acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement urging Jasmine’s “prompt release,” and saying “the treatment of our citizens while in the U.S. must be fair and transparent.”
Canada needs a Dennis Rodman to send over to try to get the hostages back like Obama did with North Korea
Basketball diplomacy builds good will.
I thought that’s why you sent Gretzky? You can have him back btw.
I wonder how much this has to do with entering from Mexico as a non-mexican. Can they just reject her and turn her back towards Mexico or do they have to deport her to Canada?
Beyond that is typical overcrowding in American prisons, standard prison transport (handcuffs/chains), and under staffing slowing the process.
It really sucks and she shouldn’t have to deal with it; but I’m not all that surprised about the conditions or slow processing unfortunately.
Shit time to be visiting America for any reason.
Can they just reject her and turn her back towards Mexico or do they have to deport her to Canada?
It seems the USA’s preference is to keep people in inhumane prisons indefinitely without charge, at great expense to US taxpayers. Just turning them around at the border is not considered cruel enough.
No, we have private prisons for that. Keeping them there makes prison stockholders money.
Probably wouldn’t show the ICE agent her boobs or something.
Fuck murica! If you choose to travel there at this point, Buy the ticket…take the ride!
Ooooo this is bad
Build a wall…around the USA. WTF!!!
Wall? I thought we upgraded to an Iron Dome?
I thought we upgraded to an Iron Dome?
Yes, you did think that. Thanks for asking.
We need and have always needed a wall around the south, when nafta started they infested my Midwestern town with their crime and drugs and it went to hell overnight.
Nothing worse than having those southerners come in with their crime and drugs and interrupting your midwestern meth making, meth taking, and meth related crimes.
… They brought the meth, we just had alcohol, some weed (not much).
Do you know anything about the Midwest?
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25% tariff on all your comments.
More tarriffs will surely help Americas recession.
It’s gonna be the best recession. Yuge! So many people are talking about it. They said it couldn’t be done. Now they’re saying trump is the only one who could have pulled this off. We’re gonna recess so far you wouldn’t believe it.
The more recession, the more bankrupt millionaires, the more billionaires will be able to gobble up, the higher the chances (now former) millionaires realise that they have more in common with burger flippers than with billionaires.
No way around accelerationist logic when the system is launching itself against a wall and the bureaucrats responsible for system inertia to work against that are running around like headless chicken.
Tariffs will increase until sanity improves. We (that is, the EU) certainly aren’t going to back down from a trade war.
We’re now talking big about 200% tariffs! Soon we’ll keep upping them to 400 and 1000% to make us feel bigly.
Truly the dumbest timeline.
Please stop grandstanding lol. There are grassroot leftist movements that have been organizing, setting up mutual aid networks, etc. for years. Guess who has been suppressing those movements? The State and Corporate media. And, man, they got you convinced that 340 million people in one of the most diverse countries in the world somehow all think the same. Obviously we don’t. If we did, it’d be a hell of a lot easier to organize the masses, wouldn’t it?
Launching an attack on the most powerful military in the world is going to require more than pea shooters, my guy. I know this is the first time Canadians have felt a legitimate threat on their democracy in like 200 years, unless your First Nations. Let’s be real— I’m in Texas and you’re in Canada. Odds are you are much closer to D.C. than majority of Americans actually are. You severely underestimate how large and spread out this empire actually is— hence why it is crumbling.
first time Canadians have felt a legitimate threat on their democracy in like 200 years, **unless your First Nations. **
Big ups for including that.
Yeah, because French Canadians being genocided and force assimilated didn’t count, apparently.
For those who didn’t know, yes genocide was attempted and yes force assimilation was attempted. Many died. We survived in the end, but a lot of blood was shed. I don’t really expect Americans to know this. Some barely know Canada has a French speaking population.
Hello there. I do a lot of research into history. I wasn’t aware of any French Canadian genocide so I decided to google it, and all that came up was the indigenous genocide committed by the Canadian people.
Can you link to specifically what part of history you are referring to? All I can see about French Canadians (Quebecois) are that they were the colonizers.
There were many attempts by the English to make the Québécois renounce French AND Catholicism and those who refused publicly to pledge loyalty to the crown in the past were hung for treason, they were even forcing many to change their family names to English names (my father’s family had their name forcibly changed, it’s in the archives).
The genocide attempts were never publicly aknowledged by Canada and are only taught in history class in Québec. Hell, even Le Grand Dérangement (the deportation and genocide of Acadiens, which is better known than the attempts in Québec) was never aknowledged as a genocide by Canada (which is fucking stupid if you know anything about Canadian history). Even better fact for you: the native genocides weren’t recognized until recently either. Canada has a terrible track record of recognizing genocides.
Edit: All I can find in English is a few references to Le Grand Dérangement and I barely find anything in French on my search engine. I refuse to use Google to search at all, so you can feel free to contact French Canadian historians at McGill or something if you doubt what the English did to my people.
Here is a well known report that proves the English were actively considering my people as inferior and needing to assimilate to be eradicated, since they literally considered us a different “race” of people (this is in English for you):
https://www.alloprof.qc.ca/en/students/vl/history/the-durham-report-h1557
It doesn’t explain how they enacted this, but you best believe they enacted it in the worst ways possible.
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we would still lose hilariously because we don’t have drones, missiles, helicopters, or tanks.
Those alone don’t win wars, the USA’s military history is more than enough evidence of that, not to mention guerilla movements in other countries past and present. I’m not trivializing their power either, but when we’re talking about resistance rather than the idealistic 2A government overthrow fantasy, it’s important not to simply assume that the state’s technological advantage makes any armed resistance futile.
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I just think the “just start blasting” attitude I keep seeing from people is naive
That’s true, although I must be in different circles because I don’t see it much.
Def agree with the rest.
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You have illustrated just how unhinged you are in the rest of your comments. You don’t seem to understand that we are all trying to live our relatively normal lives while also figuring out what to do about this.
Here’s a hypothetical: I have two children under 6, my wife works full-time, I work 50 hours a week to keep a roof over my family’s heads and food in their mouths, I also make 2/3 of our household income, we have no real support system to speak of. We’re in Texas, so the allies I have are extremely limited, and do not include any of my family other than my brother, who doesn’t live here. We’re trying to figure out how to get out of here but it’s difficult and frankly I don’t know if we can afford it.
So you’re suggesting I do what? Go buy a gun for me and the three able bodied liberals I know (also fathers of young children) , kiss my family goodbye, drive for 2 days, get fired, and go do ourselves a good ol domestic terrorism? So you can feel better about the hell that WE not you are living through? And all because I committed the crime of being born in the wrong place and unable to escape? Get fucked.
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What am i, one unaffiliated person, going to do against a tyrannical government? Go commit suicide by cop? You are literally asking me to martyr myself and my family for your feelings.
What am i, one unaffiliated person, going to do against a tyrannical government?
Affiliate.
No serious struggle can be resisted alone. Organizing is necessary, this is especially clear when looking at groups which successfully resisted fascist invasion.
I’m asking you to do what you can to stop a situation that’s far worse than the situation you described.
Such as?
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/03/how-workers-won-the-weekend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner’s_Rebellion
There’s tons more, there’s a whole Enlightenment Period to learn from. Of course, I posted these links before and they get downvoted, no doubt Americans will downvote the sacrifices of peoples who fought for their comforts today. Shameful culture without a shared history among them.
You can’t just post links to the past like that’s the world we are living in. Let me break it down Barney style for you.
If I don’t go to work because I was protesting I will be fired. Hell if the wrong people get wind of it I will be fired (best case scenario, and we’ll just assume I’m not going to come back home to look for work because I’m protesting!)>>> If I am fired my family will run out of money (as in $0, 0 credit) in about 2 months>>> Me and my family starve/are unhoused>>>protest over.
We actually have a little money set aside for emergencies so we can last longer than the Majority of Americans 30-60% of which are literally living paycheck to paycheck.
We are not in a position to do fucking anything without massive organized movement, and thanks to our geography and 50 years of carefully orchestrated plans to destroy the American middle-class that’s a tall order.
We’re asking you to stop trolling
While this may be true for a lot of Americans, plenty are essentially trapped. Our education system basically ensures that we don’t have the language skills or cultural understanding to get a decent job in most any other country. And the work style that has been drilled into us since birth isn’t welcome in most other countries either.
Many of us have kids born before this path was clearly the way things are going. I wouldn’t choose to have kids these days in the US unless I had like family outside the country so I knew I had an escape path.
Those that can leave, have been doing so. The rest are or feel trapped. They simply have too much to lose, and little chance of a decent life if they leave.
I for example can’t fight back against my government in the most effective ways because I have kids. And they deserve a chance to make their own decisions about polotics. But if I say damage something important, they won’t likely get much of a choice since I won’t be able to support them anymore. And because of our healthcare system, no job means extremely substandard healthcare. So like my autistic son would probably never be able to manage his own life. That is the delema many of us face.
Considering where things are going, isn’t protecting your kids a reason to not show up to work and show up to protest? What will you say to them if they ask, “Did you do anything to fight back and protect us?” The saddest part is reading/hearing stuff like this, because one day “I have kids to protect” becomes your reasoning to march towards certain death in a battlefield, why wait till it gets to that point? Reminds me of what Aaron Bushnell said, "Many of us like to ask ourselves, what would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide? The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.”
So let’s play this out you go to a protest instead of you job. Then you get fired from your job, so now you have no health insurance for yourself or your children. The job market is shit right now, since we just had an influx of former government employees, so good luck on finding a new job. Going to work is protecting your children. It’s how the hyper capitalistic society works. I hate it and want out so bad, but it just keeps getting worse. Most Americans retirement is in 401k which is a horrible idea basing your retirement income on the stock market. We are just fucked.
Then you get fired from your job,
Sounds like something to protest about.
so now you have no health insurance for yourself or your children.
Sounds like something to protest about.
The job market is shit right now, since we just had an influx of former government employees, so good luck on finding a new job
Sounds like something to protest about.
Going to work is protecting your children. It’s how the hyper capitalistic society works.
If you say so.
I hate it and want out so bad, but it just keeps getting worse.
Sounds like something to protest about, if you want out bad enough.
Most Americans retirement is in 401k which is a horrible idea basing your retirement income on the stock market.
Sounds like something to protest about.
How did workers get weekends?
You really think a protest is going to work? I wouldn’t be surprised if we read about the military shooting protesters in the near future. It almost happened in his first term
Ukraine, back then under Putin’s rule, was shooting protesters in 2014. The people stood firm. A hundred people got shot, the other 42 million avoided slavery.
True, but it’s a start. Will only get worse if you wait longer though, if you wanted prevent this reality you could’ve done more. Can’t change that now, no use feeling guilty about it, can only decide what you do now for the future you want. That’s why i’m begging you Americans to do more.
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And while they’re out there protesting for weeks, months, years, how are they going to feed their kids and keep them from freezing? Being unable to provide shelter and basic necessities to your children is a good way to lose them…
Lemme guess, they should protest about that? I guess now that they have nothing left to lose…
Jfc, you really don’t understand why someone might prioritize stability for their family over torching the lives of everyone they love? Try some empathy, man.
Perhaps after those week, months, years you might have the intelligence to realize it’s not working and to try something else, or adapt, or work harder. Did you ever think of that?
They would be dead or in prison. Did you ever think of that?
Perhaps we should ask the Hong Kong citizens how to protest, they seem pretty successful, oh wait…
As another Canadian: I hate the US government, oligarchs, the loss of separation between church and state, and fascists. The US government has had terrible and negligent policies for much longer than the last 2 months. It’s just now there’s not even attempts to mask it and not nearly enough official resistance to it. America is being gutted beyond recognition as the same entity it was. I can empathize with what is, frankly, a rant from in4apenny even as I downvoted their post.
However I have many American friends I do NOT hate, and who do not hate me or covet my country. I do NOT agree with the “fuck everyone, you’re all a blight” position. I could write many arguments why, but the most important one is for many decades our countries have been stronger for being allies. If I want Canada to be the greatest nation it can be I have to recognize the contribution of a friendly USA that existed basically uninterrupted until two months ago. I 100% support the “elbows up, fight back hard” movement that is sweeping my nation, but with an eye for historical context of shared success. I hope for a return to that friendship when/if you folks manage to restore sanity. But that restoration is either going to be very messy or not happen at all, so we’ll see if the elbows ever get to come down again.
If I want Canada to be the greatest nation it can be I have to recognize the contribution of a friendly USA that existed basically uninterrupted until two months ago.
Like selling our oil 20% below the price for comparable oil on international markets, the continued Americanization of our media and culture, numerous instances of fighting over our arctic sovereignty, the erosion of generic drugs via patent extensions for the benefit of American pharma, pushing for the dismantling of one of our greatest technological accomplishments (Avro Arrow) to favor US products, and numerous cases of American companies using NAFTA to bully the government to allow the destruction of our environment because they aren’t that bad see Lone Pine Resources v. Canada or Ethyl Corporation v. Canada.
This has always been a shit relationship, it’s just more obvious now.
Most of Canada’s oil is heavy oil that doesn’t compete well with the lighter oil on international markets due to difficulty in transportation and refining. It is shipped to the US by train, and refined in the US which has costs associated with it. I couldn’t find a source saying that Canada would be 20% better off shipping to our other export targets like the EU. I’m willing to be taught a lesson by such sources.
I’m guessing you’re arguing that trade with the US makes drugs expensive. Canada protects drug prices as part of our single-payer system. We negotiate prices nationally and thus pay close to what other OECD nations pay. Re: patents - I could very well be missing something, but wouldn’t such patents exist regardless of trade agreements? If we could buy generic analogs of patented drugs then surely we can regardless of patents. If we can’t get generic analogs then how does cancelling trade agreements make patented drugs cheaper? If you are just saying that US big pharma sucks then I totally agree, but I don’t see how ending our agreements fixes that.
Americanization of media and culture isn’t just a Canadian problem that stems from our close relationship to the US. Things like radicalization and swings towards autocracy are happening in democracies (and other systems) all around the world regardless of level of direct US influence. I don’t think it’s fair at all to say that if we didn’t associate with the US that our society would be free from US-style problems.
I can see that NAFTA has caused instances of ignoring environmental damage. I will say that as far as I can tell by looking it up, the Lone Pine Resources v. Canada case was decided against the corporation, in which case the destruction you mention was not allowed. “On November 21, 2022, the NAFTA tribunal found that revocation of mining rights around the St. Lawrence river did not amount to an expropriation, considering that Claimant retained other mining rights. Tribunal majority also dismisses MST claim.” Unless I’m reading that wrong (definitely a possibility) in that case NAFTA officials actually stopped environmental damage. Plus let’s face it, provinces like Alberta and Ontario do not need NAFTA pressure at all to make large-scale environmentally harmful choices. I’m not convinced Canada would have refused to exploit resources if free trade wasn’t a thing.
As far as the relationship being shit, there’s a lot of experts who say it’s beneficial. If nothing else it has created TONS of jobs for Canadians and been a bedrock of our economy across many sectors.
For oil, one has to understand that the fixed costs for operating the network are substantial so there is a lot of ability for price making by the purchaser. The price of WTI serves as an effective cap for WCS.
The price of WTI is artificially low due to the 3/4th of a TRILLION of USD that has been pumped into oil subsidies.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-proposals-to-reduce-fossil-fuel-subsidies-january-2024
For pharma, it’s not that we wouldn’t have patents- patents are important for investment. It’s the duration of them that is different due to US influence.
I will concede on the environmental impact, I’m just especially bitter about the 13 million dollar settlement for the priviledge to have gas that causes respiratory irritation.
USA doesn’t want friendly relations with you though.
Nah, you’re clearly not paying attention or wilfully ignoring whatever doesn’t fit your position. It’s not even all MAGA folks that want to break up our national relationship and basically no one outside MAGA wants to at all. Even staunch conservatives are calling this the dumbest trade war ever. I think there’s a lot of indication that most American citizens and especially many businesses want cooperation with Canada.
Yet Trump/Musk and their regime are doing things their way anyway. Now what? Wait for the democrats to step in? lol
You are right that Trump/Musk are destroying America. You are wrong that they are unopposed because they certainly are in Canada, in many other parts of the world, and yes, inside the US. Re: the stakes - the USA is not taking over Canada, period. They are causing a lot of economic harm, but telling Americans they’re trash people that need to fuck off en masse does absolutely nothing to repair that damage. No matter what Trump tries to tell you and everyone else, this trade war is not popular among almost anyone. So what we do is keep on telling Trump to go fuck himself along with all those people, just as our nation is doing now.
If Americans do disappear and stop having a relationship with Canada as you suggest a HUGE number of Canadians are going to suffer. The only way to prevent that is to fight back as much as necessary and then work to restore the engine that keeps all those Canadians and Americans afloat. Basically as Canadians we need to stay the course, punish the US for it’s betrayal, strengthen ties elsewhere, but then also be open to reconciliation. Being toxic and vengeful is not going to help citizens of either country.
This assumes that USA can be repaired. It’s entirely possible that their people have crossed the line of no return, and are no longer able to start behaving in a civilized manner on average before crashing spectarularly.
If you don’t trust in the US citizens’ ability to repair their country, there’s not much sense in trying to build a nice relationship with them. And I’m not saying USA cannot repair itself. Maybe it can. What I’m saying is that it is plausible that many people do not believe USA has what it takes.
I can definitely see what you’re saying, and you seem to be hoping for the best and planning for the worst. Which is reasonable. I don’t disagree with you but I’d add to the conversation:
- There is meaningful resistance even now, weeks into the Trump’s idiocy. Just today in the headlines on Lemmy we have judges blocking his orders, 20 states suing him for overreach, and citizens protesting. I think this resistance is bound to increase (in terms of size and urgency) as people start to see their family suffering/dying because of things like the social security payment collapse some experts are predicting.
- American businesses are pushing back to get tariffs delayed or stopped completely and that pressure is only going to increase as economic consequences roll in. Trump can lie all he wants about how great things will be but big money isn’t about to sit around while they become less big money.
- Regardless of whether they exist as the USA or something else, there’s about 345 million people south of our border in the US. Many of whom are economically tied to us and us to them. I’m not sure it’s realistic to aim for a zero relationship situation or even a minimal one. It’s a huge market, intertwined with ours, very close to our population centres and we’re going to fall into either a beneficial or hostile relationship with a nation 10x the size of ours. I think we need to strive hard at a good relationship while simultaneously demanding respect.
“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.” ― Henry Kissinger
If you’re relying on Henry Kissinger for advice I have no common ground to advance the conversation with. Also, that quote addresses none of the points I’ve made about either sovereignty or economics, and isn’t the dunk you appear to think it is.
Edit: Just another thought that occurred to me while thinking about how that quote is wrong - it’s not even going to be fatal to have been America’s friend. Canada is going to survive Trump’s aggression, and will also survive the US relationship regardless of how things play out. Moreover, for decades the US-Canada alliance built up both countries immensely. I support Canada building stronger ties to more countries than just the US, but at this point in history far more good has come out of being America’s friend than harm has been done by Trump.
This American gets what you’re saying. I’m trying to figure out what I can do without ending up homeless.
So long as you get yours, right?
Staying housed is “getting yours”? Lmao, you’re delusional. And this is coming from a homeless person. I do not begrudge people who do what they can while maintaining shelter in the dead of winter. Frozen corpses can’t protest either, bud.
You’re acting like this is the Russian Revolution or something, stop making exaggerated excuses and focus on what’s happening in front of you. And as someone who has been homeless, you know as I know, you don’t have as much to lose as others so why are you making excuses?
Wtf, so we are supposed to be homeless with kids in tow? Since when is I get mine the simple fact of having a roof over my head?
Because it doesn’t guarantee a roof over theirs.
I understand the community-first perspective. I agree that we survive together or die together. But we also can’t pour from an empty cup. I can’t help others if I’m fighting to survive, forced to spend time hunting down food and water and a warm bed, which also takes time away from protesting and helping others.
Do you forsee yourself not fighting to survive later on then?
If American society as a whole devolves so much that I and everyone else are all fighting to survive together because we are all homeless, then society as a whole will look a lot different, structurally. I can’t speak to how resistance will look, in that case, because I don’t know what it will consist of. I imagine that we will have much better community support systems in place, since more will be needing them to survive.
First comes fodder, then morals. When will US libs understand that. How does it feel there, up on your high horse, telling the pedestrians to stop wearing leather boots they should be vegans?
Try calling for solidarity instead of attacking people for wanting what’s due to every human by sole virtue of being human. Food, shelter, those things aren’t wishes of someone trying to deny the same to others.
Try calling for solidarity
Like you do?
Yes. Like I did by telling you to do that instead of preaching from the pulpit, you’re starting to get it.
Dude, straight up fuck you. The moment you voluntarily unhouse yourself for others you can open your mouth again and rejoin the adults in the conversation.
I did, from 2011-2015. I went on the road to protest, gave up everything, because I believe in something more important than myself.
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Considering the warm reception of this thread, I don’t feel anyone here is worth wasting that time on. I’m writing a book about my adventures you can pirate it when it comes out.
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Translation: I was a mooching dirtbag for four years and called it protesting.
Projection, much?
Dude, I’ve been working on this at a local level, and being homeless in the US might as well be a fucking death sentence. It paints a target on you at almost every level of society and it’s becoming increasingly impossible to escape. This is almost like shitting on someone for not wanting to get shot or get their family tortured.
These people did it - https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/03/how-workers-won-the-weekend
All you’re telling me is you’re either too coward or don’t believe in a better future enough.
Here’s a bonus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner’s_Rebellion – If only these people thought like you, I wonder where we’d be.
You want to fight for freedom but without any risk? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
EDIT - What about these people? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/04/gaza-strip-protesters-received-bullet-wounds-to-ankles-medics-report Surely they have targets painted on their backs but protest anyway, and they have it much worse than Americans. Americans are cowards.
Look, I get that you’re trying to rabble rouse. I think there’s a lot of folks right now that are holding their breath to see if Trump is going to get distracted by some new stupid bullshit like he normally does.
The world has been holding their breaths for decades, when will you Americans stop drowning us all? You you you all you, fucking Americans amiright? You have it soooo bad awwwwww, hang on everybody keep waiting for things to get worse, Americans aren’t coming up for air yet! No, i’m not rabble rousing, i’m pissed off at your American baby excuses, I swear I know 10 year olds that have more sense of accountability or responsibility.
idk what to tell you, my guy. The ruling class aggressively shit its pants when these labor wins were piling up, and we’ve had non-stop red scares, counter-intelligence ops, and right-wing propaganda ever since. What you’re proposing, that everyone just get up and start the next great revolution because Trump is saying stuff, is a fairy tale; it’s about as likely as my potted plant turning into an alligator. I’m very confident shit’s going to fall apart quick if Trump does actually try to start a war with Canada, but until then, I don’t think that it feels real enough to most folks to chance getting thrown in a private prison or turned into a predator drone video. When things destabilize, that’s where there will be opportunities, but the only opportunities right now is getting smoked by the cops, getting scooped by the glowies, or doing something completely ineffectual and getting your teeth knocked in by the cops anyway.
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“Insults are the last refuge of a fool.”
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Ok.
Well, if push came to shove, I’d stand with you anyway.
The common folk of the world need to find solidarity. Because this is gonna spread…
Amen comrad. The moment protests start happening outside millionaires and billionaires mansions and gated communities is when I wheel my disabled Graves diseased ass back out to protests again. The numbers are on our side.
As Jim Morrison said, “They got the guns, but we got the numbers.”
It is beyond shameful what my government is doing, though; I don’t fault you for the stance against all Americans. The worst part for me? I’ve seen this coming since I was in high school (over two decades ago). My entire adult life it’s been in the back of my mind. And here we are.
There’s no easy path forward. That’s for sure.
amen
Troll
Dude has been ranting for HOURS lmao
You’ve been reading for hours too. Please enlighten us and keep making toilet jokes to distract from going out to protests. I swear this is r/worldnews all over again.
Comical to mention ‘going out to protest’ when you’ve been chronically raging on lemmy all day. I’m sure the 40 people that read your novel have been impacted so much and it changed their lives. Keep it up my boy!
I’m disabled, after 14 years of activism, grassroots organizing, and protesting. Been arrested many times sacrificing my safety and liberty for human rights, taken beatings by fascists and beatings by cops. What’s your excuse, toiletboy?
TIL activism is really just a dick-waving competition.
Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword
(philosophy) A philosophical razor which states that what cannot be settled by experiment is not worth debating.Occams Razer can suck it compared to Newtons Flaming Laser Sword.
No that’s occam’s razor you are thinking of. Occams razEr states that sometimes the simplest solution is to burn the village and sow the fields with salt.
Just like the American foreign policy that Americans voted for.
I get the feeling that your entire identity is defined by opposition to America…
If you feel that strongly, how come you only comment in posts about the US?
What does that have to do with Americans not taking enough action? I’m not an American.
I know you’re not American. But hot damn you sure are obsessed over us.
Why don’t you spend some time in posts about your own country for a few minutes?
Because my country isn’t facing a constitutional crisis of globally impactful magnitudes, in fact, American ineptitude is affecting our country. But clearly you Americans are quick to blame people from other countries for your own problems.
Why don’t you spend some time gathering a crowd outside billionaires mansions or gated communities?
Who did i blame for our problems that’s in another country?
EDIT - I also see you hunting me down in other threads, very hinged of you.
No, that’s calling you out for trolling US posts 24/7. That has nothing to do with blaming my counties problems on anyone else.
Your reply makes no sense, but trolls gonna troll I guess.
“Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.”
Imagine criticizing the person forced into bed with the elephant for speaking up when the elephant behaves poorly.
It’s the American mindset, they hide behind their excuses like a domestic abuser.
He’s a troll for sure
Ranting on Lemmy definitely helps, I’m so proud of you.
So do your witty remarks on Lemmy, that’ll really show the billionaires! Now go back to work, obedient American.
Replying to a dude that is sitting on the toilet really helps as well, what a champ!
When my kids ask me “What did you do to help?” I’ll have a long list of real-world attempts for them spanning over 14 years. I can at least comfortably say that I’ve tried. What will you say to your kids?
I hope your claimed real-world efforts are more meaningful than what I’m seeing from you in this post, because blanket insults posted online do not count. I get that you’re disgusted and angry, but you are not being constructive and there are better ways to tell people you are angry. If you are sick of being constructive and/or acknowledging the benefits of Canada-USA friendship I understand, but you should probably take a break from news/social media.
I am another Canadian btw.
I replied to you twice already, son.
Oh haha toilet jokes are more important, got it.
Who are you, again?
A human being. Why would I be anything less?
Nah, I’m good thanks.
How about you come down and burn the WH again?
That was the brits. People always say it was Canada, but it wasn’t. The guys in charge of that raid were in Canada for less then a year, and died later on in the same year they burned the WH - the leaders had spent most of their time on campaigns in EU / northern africa. The troops were all trained in the uk. Canada wasn’t even a ‘country’ for decades after that event – there’s no way we had our own trained army/generals involved. Hell, the (great?) granddaughter of one of the two generals who did it, is Olivia Wilde – from her scottish roots (Cockburn). So not even the guys kids/descendants were Canadian – they became US people in Hollywood.
Lotta Canadians like to take credit for it though, but realistically it wasn’t us.
Excuseme but are you trying to give ME a lesson in history?
Because if so, please do, I love history stuff.
I’d rather the Americans did it rather than making others do their work for them as usual.
In a statement, Global Affairs Canada said consular officials are in contact with local authorities to gather additional information and provide consular assistance.
“Every country or territory decides who can enter or exit through its borders. The Government of Canada cannot intervene on behalf of Canadian citizens with regard to the entry and exit requirements of another country,” the statement read.
Whilst smiling very slightly manically, and quietly whispering with the eyes ”I’m going to fucking murder you, and I’m going to take my time about it”
This is a Type 2 “Sorry” scenario
