YouGov survey suggests majority support idea of Britain returning to bloc – but not on same terms it once enjoyed
    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      Out of curiosity, why would that matter to most people? I don’t live in Europe so I’m just curious. Is it just about wanting them to use the same currency because they seem posh about it or something? On their end I assume the look at it and say our money’s worth more. (Why I fabricated the idea of posh being a possible reason for debating for/against)

      • subOrange@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        2 months ago

        As other might have said the same here and some other places: if they are serious about an unified economy they shouldn’t need their own currency that only benefit themselves directly if it goes stronger.

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          It also only hurts them directly if it goes weaker though right? From an outside perspective I would understand them moving to the Euro just to simplify things, but I also think being a part of the EU has more effects than being a unified economy. It helps with travel, that’s good. But it also makes a country dependent and can void the entire principle of laws fairly easily.

          Hypothetical, let’s say a country like Hungary isn’t following the civil rights laws required to be part of the European Union. Does the EU try to squeeze them economically to make them act in a manner the rest of the Union demands, or do they settle and say, well they are their own country and we have no say there, so our rules aren’t really laws, but mere suggestions. Where do these suggestions draw hard lines, and if you hit a hard line what stops the country from printing their own currency back out and just telling the EU to fuck off. Does the EU not allow them to do so because their currency would thereby be unbalanced? Or do they allow them to under the condition they trade all their currency out somehow?

          Some things could get dicey I imagine.

  • Tolstoy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    2 months ago

    Isn’t YouGov (the one who mades the polls) a UK based firm. I don’t mind when they rejoin EU but with more contributions than backpacking

  • borisentiu@feddit.orgEnglish
    3·
    2 months ago

    From afar the popularity of Farage seems to indicate that the UK itself is on a pro european track…

  • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    2 months ago

    Yeah that’d work if there is no special treatment for French farmers etc too. People like to paint Brexit as a simplistic thing - some kind of simplistic jingositic thing - but actually it was complex and multifaceted - the common agricultural policy, the democratic deficit in the centre of the EU, the constant paralysis instead of decision making. All these things contributed as different people voted on different grounds. The loud and bombastic voices of Farrage and Johnson may have dominated the media narrative but it barely scratches the surface of how deep the divisions over Europe actually go.

    The reality is I don’t think the UK would vote to rejoin even if people regret leaving. Any deal to rejoin would be worse than what was lost particularly around joining the Eurozone and the disproportionate cost of membership in terms of subsidising CAP etc. It’d be a very difficult sell to the UK voters and as we get further from Brexit the damage is perceived to be less and less.

    The EU needs serious reform. I wanted to remain as I thought Britain could have besn a voice to push that but looking at how the EU is currently I don’t want to rejoin. I wouldn’t want to be be in the EU while Hungary can hold everything up and is not accountable for its loss of democracy. Poland just avoided a damaging right wing government for now, but they already diamantled much of the liberal state and the left are struggling to rebuild it. France is divided 3 ways and the upcoming presidential election brings much uncertainty. I can’t imaging any politician in Europe wants to even think about Britain rejoining, and in the UK it remains a highly divisive and controversial topic.

    I’m glad people in the EU are patriotic about it, and want it to succeed. As a Brit I want it to succeed too. But genuinely as much as I wanted to stay I would vote against rejoining if asked right now. There is not a clamour to rejoin at the present - people may regret Brexit but that is not the same as wanting to go through the bruising process of rejoining.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      disproportionate cost of membership

      Disproportionate were Thatcher’s UK Rebate and other unfair opt-outs.

  • atro_city@fedia.io
    14·
    2 months ago

    The poll, of representative samples of more than 2,000 adults in the UK and Germany and more than 1,000 in Denmark, France, Italy and Spain, was carried out between 12 and 27 June.

    yeah…