He thinks a cross-distro API standard can be a practical solution to tackle age verification.
  • GarboDog@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    We’re not legally required to have age verification here so if they try that shit here we’re just Gina nice to Arch/arch like :/

    • forestbeasts@pawb.socialEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Yeahhhh

      We use Debian and ripped out systemd (replaced it with openrc) a bit before all this happened. Feeling really good about that choice now.

      (unrelated: plural gang! :3)

      – Frost

      • GarboDog@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        We’re still relatively new to Linux even after a year of switching. Started learning more about the terminal just to get comfortable with it and it’s not hard at all, just got to remember ask the commands haha (did make a cheat sheet lol)

        (Unrelated: Yoooo plural gang!!! :D) -PJ & Sam

        • forestbeasts@pawb.socialEnglish
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          2 months ago

          (*wags tail at both PJ and Sam!!* =^.^=)

          yeah! Terminal’s super useful but also kind of daunting.

          If y’all haven’t seen the man pages, they make an excellent reference. Honestly, they’re basically written more as reference than as tutorial type stuff most of the time. So that’s there whenever your cheatsheet doesn’t cover something.

          Also we use zsh (without plugins, you don’t need plugins) and it’s got really fancy autocomplete. We can just type - and hit tab and get a list of all the options for that command (that zsh knows about; I don’t think it goes and reads man pages for you or anything like that). I can’t remember how you turn that on but I think it’s something you can do from zsh’s initial setup wizard. I don’t know if bash can do the same thing or not, I think probably not (but we’re not super up to date on bash).

          (I’d avoid fish, which you might also run into if you go looking for fancy features. It’s known for really fancy features but it’s also not compatible with normal shell scripts, which’ll screw you up if you ever want to get into scripting. zsh does normal shell script syntax (with the exception of protecting you if you forget to quote your variables) and also has really nice fancy features like the autocomplete.)

          – Frost

          • GarboDog@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Got ya, will look into the zhs!! Sounds super useful. And yush found out about the man from a tutorial for useful commands in terminal. 90% of the time we’re converting files with ffmpeg and running yt-dlp lol -PJ

      • sicktriple@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        If we’re talking about the criminals who are harming children (social media companies, roblox, etc) and actively pushing to influence legislation that allows them to continue this behavior while punishing the rest of us while taking away privacy for normal people, then idk. Prison seems too generous for those scum.

        I think the commenter here might be referring to regular people who are powerless and/of less than informed on the subject which I of course disavow. But if somelike like Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk never see the inside of of a prison cell, which is much more than they deserve, there is no justice in this world.

      • mrnobody@reddthat.comEnglish
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        2 months ago

        It’s the welcoming of surveillance with open arms! IF “protecting the children” is what we’re after, TRULY honestly after, then social media would be banned for anyone under the age of 18!

        The fact that Zuck KNOWS this (Meta and its current format) is the problem he pushes all blame to everyone and everything else. And like IDIOTS the government listens-mostly because they’re all bought and paid for anyway. FB did studies back in 2014 (that’s right over 12 years ago) or earlier to prove it wasnt addictive, and found it to be worse than they thought so they buried it!

        My guess is, before the hearing, Zuck and crew agreed this is the way to get gov off his back and also get gov MORE data and surveillance. It’s a win-win. Every obedient citizen who doesn’t know/understand technology says “OK I guess” and everyone else with half a spine and understanding… Takes a stand!!

        Facebook first released for 18+ users as it was for college and you needed your school’s .edu address to open an account. To grow the userbase, it was opened up to more and more users which then lead to more and more deceptive practices to always get that YoY growth.

        Meanwhile, it acts as an escape from reality as people hate their own lives, and “influencers” are the fakest ones feeding consumerism to others, because “if you do this one thing you can be good too” shit.

        Personally, if you directly do anything to mislead/misguide others for your own selfish gain, you should feel awful about holding back those around you, instead of working together to fight the system! Unfortunately, right now, too many people feel inadequacies, so we’re getting to the point where we say “fuck it” and so we do anything to get ahead…

        The TL;DR is: It’s no longer about connecting people, it’s about money, data, and control! Pretty much ALL social media is a cancer designed to keep users engaged to distract them from the shitty world around them as it falls apart.

        In the wise words of Sam Flynn, “We need to work together, it’s the only way!” 😁

        • Pommes_für_dein_Balg@feddit.orgEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I’m not talking about the age verification, I’m talking about hanging people who support it. Y’all need to get a sense of perspective.

          • mrnobody@reddthat.comEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I know that’s what you’re talking about, and honest to God I’m being serious that it’s so offense and disgusting for anyone NOT in gov to support this!! It’s THAT fucking crazy!!

            I don’t care if you’re left or right leaning. This is not a political thing at all, it’s purely bowing to the fucking overlords with money who give NO FUCKING SHITS about anyone else!

  • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    … sssssssiiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhhh

    I went with a Fedora distro because the Intel GPU drivers were less of a headache. Guess I must now find another distro…

    • Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I would wait and be very vocal about not wanting it in the forums and stuff first.

      This isn’t decided and nothing has been added yet at the time of me writing this.

      It deserves to be ridiculed and shot down through so that it never makes it through but the problem is Red Hat is an American company.

      So I always knew this was going to happen to fedora. Still though, let’s see what happens.

        • Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I think they will, but I will wait and see confirmation before I go scorched earth and re install another version of Linux.

          I know ultimately that you are right though, but I stills expect pushback and I’m hoping all this shit just gets overturned or an exclusion made for FOSS at the very least.

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Does Fedora has a Code of Conduct? Time to update it to either be

    • the meaningless “Be excellent to each other!” (as seen in any open source Elon Musk project),
    • or to include “protecting diverse opinions” (which is always a code word for “protecting bigotry”) instead of throwing out bigots who often don’t even meaningfully contribute to the project,
    • or to the Ten Commandments,

    if they really like the taste of the boot. Maybe they could remove “woke” elements altogether for that sweet fascist-controlled US money.

  • Peter1986C@piefed.europe.pubEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I have a feeling that a lot of those who replied have not really read the article, that contains some nuances. I do not like the idea of age verification, but the project leader’s proposal is apparently not even official (and more like a hypothetical in a discussion thread on their forums.

    Please read more than headlines, lol.

  • TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org
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    2 months ago

    Devil’s advocate, is it really that bad for someone who is a parent to be able to easily zone of their Linux distro for their children? And yeah, I get there are a number of methods to do this like locking down accounts, but something like this would have the potential of automating whom the rules apply to.

    • esc@piefed.socialEnglish
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      2 months ago

      No it’s a prefectly reasonable stance, but having wrong opinion or even thinking the wrong way is disallowed.

    • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      That depends on the parent, doesn’t it? A tool in the wrong hands does the devils work.

      Devil’s advocate, does a good parent need this? Honest conversation could automate who the rules apply to.

      • TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org
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        2 months ago

        Does a good parent place restrictions on what their child can and can’t do? Yes. The thing about bad parents is that they are notoriously irresponsible. They would be the least likely to utilize such a feature.

        • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Using software one doesn’t understand to protect their child looks like a peak of irresponsibility to me.

          Understanding any software to trying restrict a child seems a sub-optimal way to teach children the computer skills to circumvent it and promotes them to hide their mistakes from you?

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        honest conversation will not supervise the kid while you are away, and we are not living in a fairy tale where kids just magically behave.

        except if you can be a stay at home parent to do this manually.

        • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I expect everyone to make mistakes. Is it better to encourage the child to talk about it rather than hide it when they outsmart a lazy child lock?

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Youtube requires age verification for some content since many years.

    Out of curiosity, who here is still browsing YT without verified age?

    Who browses YT logged in with their google account and verified age?

    Too bad we don’t have pool here. I would really like to see what % of people complaining about age verification here verified their age in their google account.

    • PerogiBoi@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I’ve never verified my age for any operating system or website. I use YouTube logged out with an ad blocker

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Because they are corporate-backed I can understand why Fedora would need to think about this, but I would never use them again. The surveillance state will stay the fuck out of my devices. The discussion also seems to be centered on GNOME?

  • ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chatEnglish
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    2 months ago

    What problem does this even solve? On Linux, what app would even be asking how old you are? Web browsers for sure, and maybe electron apps like Discord? But what else is there?

    I’m on Bazzite (based on Fedora). I’m comfy with it, moving distros is a significant effort, so I’m very unlikely to ever jump ship. If I have to make a workflow that mirrors the official Bazzite images and neuters this age check, so be it. Not that complicated.

    But I’m willing to bet the community will step up and maintain browsers/apps that don’t have these age checks in the first place. Firefox has many forks that definitely won’t, and Vesktop will probably stub this out when it inevitably comes to Discord. If there’s nothing to ask for age verification, it doesn’t matter what the OS can do.

    I really don’t see a need to burn a distro I’m comfortable with, even if the upstream maintainers are a little dumb. There a ton of ways to bend a Linux distro to your will without throwing your hands up.

    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 months ago

      What problem does this even solve? On Linux, what app would even be asking how old you are? Web browsers for sure, and maybe electron apps like Discord? But what else is there?

      I’m on Bazzite (based on Fedora). I’m comfy

      well, the app catalog, steam, certain games, …

      tbh parental controls would be useful to have. you can’t be watching every minute if they are doing something inappropriate. usage time limits are also useful.

      why are people so much against tools? we are so afraid of the slippery slope that we don’t even consider to accept legitimately useful optional tools

      can we acknowledge that what happens on the internet today is harmful to children? now, you either properly set up limits for them, or cut their access, if you want any good.

      • softotteep@pawb.socialEnglish
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        2 months ago

        All Linux distros either come with parental controls or have a way of installing them. This age verification shit was never about protecting the children.

            • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              2 months ago

              this is just limiting what apps can be opened, and it only works for flatpak apps. how will you disable all the other apps that are installed? how do you disable the shell which could be used to download a non-flatpak browser?

              and as you said it does not even try to limit which websites are allowed to be visited, or for how much time can the computer be used. a pihole can be circumvented with DoH, for which there is an easy toggle in firefox, probably chrome too

      • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        2 months ago

        can we acknowledge that what happens on the internet today is harmful to children?

        For 99% of what happens on the Internet? No. No, we can’t. That would be malicious fearmongering.

        For the remaining 1% (or less)? Fine and impose sanctions on any companies that produce content intended to harm children (mostly Meta, and any company that makes games with lootboxes), and their CEOs and boards.

        Educate parents so they can prevent their children from accessing that harmful 1%. Fine any that refuse, and take their children away as you would any other abusers’.

        But this age tracking shit will do absolutely nothing to protect children, it will do absolutely nothing to educate parents, and worse of all will do absolutely nothing to stop the companies that intentionally harm children.

        Its only purpose is to control access to the Internet, and to establish a foothold to justify a slippery slope of ever worsening spyware measures, that will harm not only children but the whole population.

        • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          For 99% of what happens on the Internet? No. No, we can’t. That would be malicious fearmongering.

          malicious fearmongering? all that most people know about “the internet” is facebook, instagram, tiktok and the other corporate propaganda machines. by popularity, that is absolutely 99% of the internet, and not “the renaining 1%”, as you are portraying it.

          Educate parents so they can prevent their children from accessing that harmful 1%

          wasn’t that exactly what I was saying? providing tools in the freaking operating system to limit what your kid can do? but downvote me to hell because I’m clearly wrong and that will surely fix everything!

          But this age tracking shit will do absolutely nothing to protect children,

          you know what it will do? with proper OS level integration, with programs taking it upon themselves, easier presets for the kid to only access age appropriate things. age brackets, that’s it.
          then even the web browser can manage the limitations natively, either with filterlists like what ublock uses, or when the visited website self-declares its category.

          Its only purpose is to control access to the Internet,

          how in the fucking hell will it control access to the internet when the local system administrator can change the age bracket setting in the OS.

    • finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I didn’t see it until you pointed it out. Imo looks unintentional, just an unfortunate result of the circuit traces being arranged as they are.

      • Gonzako@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Yeah, tbh a swastica is an amazing symbol, such a shame nazis made it their emblem.