I was using webmin, but since my last server died and I’m making a new one, I decided I’d look into something different, personally I liked webmin but didn’t use most of its functionality and felt a little clunky for my basic use. I’ve also testran casaos but felt weirdly limited and couldn’t smoothly migrate docker containers to interact with its interface.
I can do with just the terminal, but it’s nice having a gui that I can glance at my phone and quickly do stuff like update and reboot.
I personally haven’t seen or found much conversation into the topic so I figured I’d ask and see what you peeps use and why.
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Ansible or ssh
Exactly this! Oh, and gatus for the nice view (mostly own php talking to gatus api)
ssh
Power button
@Fierro the terminal? i try to keep overhead to a minimum, its simpler to just learn the commands and use the terminal, can use it from my phone remotely, ssh is pretty secure and using other tools that act as middle-ware just adds to the attack surface.
I guess, K3s & argocd? Not sure exactly what you’re asking
Whatever you interpret that as since my main goal here is to seed conversation, but the thing that I was thinking of when asking was a web gui with some live stats, doing some simple maintenance stuff, maybe manage or glance at docker/podman status and other services, etc.
Since I’ve seen some conversations about documenting setups so they can be picked up and troubleshot by someone else unfamiliar with the setup like a family member, I expected it would be common to lower the friction for basic maintenance but seeing the amount of ssh comments makes me think otherwise, maybe more people use their servers exclusively for personal entertainment than I expected.
more people use their servers exclusively for personal entertainment than I expected.
Uh-huh, think of it like jigsaw puzzles…
That said, I prioritize ease of maintenance and simplicity, still wouldn’t expect my family to pick it up in any reasonable amount of time, nor have the motivation, more’s the pity.
I’ve moved to podman (quadlet) containers mostly, easy to read and edit, secure (mostly userspace), systemctl integration, autoupdate. I’ve done my distrohopping, fedora (in my case bazzite immutable) isn’t going anywhere, does everything I need. I run fairly lean, but have a bunch of stuff that can be spun up at a whim that I don’t use daily. It’s entertaining without being a burden, and useful stuff just happens.
Honestly, ssh and btop cover most of my monitoring needs, serious stuff gets a notify-send to my laptop. I’ve tried the web gui stuff and I don’t look at it enough to justify it, I’m not a sysad monitoring hundreds of computers, it’s just a hobby.
I run k3s and use Argo CD at work, but it always seemed overkill for my home server. I also would want to use self-hosted Forgejo instead of an external service, but I don’t care to spend time on a setup that bootstraps Forgejo, PostgreSQL and Argo CD, then has all of the above managed by Argo CD.
Forgejo, I can’t help ya with that one
Even though me and another guy set up Argo at work, I wasn’t gonna do it all over again - I pretty much just copied our manifests from work, swapped out the secrets and github urls, and was on the path to success. And the benefits cannot be understated
NixOS and SSH I guess?
ssh and portainer.
Ssh, dockhand, beszel. They have nice GUI and setting up notification providers is easy. I am using ntfy, so if my CPU is peaking at 90% for a while, or I if any of the containers become unhealthy I get notification to my phone.
SSH and Ansible using SSH
Ansible using SSH
The moment you discover anything else, you’re gonna be so pleased. It’ll seem so modern! So fast!
So what’s your preferred solution and why?
Hey, you’re the “Ansible is toxic” guy.
What do you use?
For system and docker stats I can only recommend beszel. Portainer for docker management and anything else ssh.
I second Beszel, it’s such a clean interface, and I can also have it send alerts through Gotify if my shit breaks!
ssh
🤔 yeah, that and I guess docker?
- Portainer for Docker containers
- ssh for most real administration tasks
- Olive Tin for repetitive tasks like sudo apt update
- Netdata for server metrics and ntopng for metrics on standalone pFsense box
Opentofu for all the looking after the config on my proxmox boxes and networking gear. Ansible for everything else.
I don’t currently have any monitoring set up but it’s in the to do list when I feel like it.
Check out gatus. Super easy to get up and running depending on what type of monitoring you want to do.
The cli.
I have used management interfaces like coxkpit in the last but i do not really like it that much. I have E-Mail Notifications setup for updates via aptitude and monitor using prometheus and grafana and get additional notifications via prometheus alarm manager.
For an easy to use docker interface i use dockge, since i found it in this use case to be faster with a good, working, independend Interface.
But for the Linux underneath, for all 10-20 servers i managae, CLI.
@Fierro @selfhosted I mostly use YunoHost as I’m a beginner in self-hosting, but if needed I have command line. Ssh, then even one docker container or two. Mainly on Windows system with powershell or ordinary command line.
nothing wrong with yunohost. We all started out as noobs at one point in time. My advice though: Don’t think that’s the end point. Branch out when you have motivation/time/etc, and see what happens. The best way to learn is to break shit, then have to fix it. at least IMHO
@osanna The problem in breaking the system and building it back manually, is documentation.
I am a visually impaired person and many instructions are provided by screenshots.
I can’t deny that lately AI has helped me through image description, but it allucinates often. So it means, AI or not, that for us (blind and visual impaired) a 5-minutes operation becomes one hour, and one hour becomes one day. Or week.one thing i really really hate is videos/screenshots of instructions. I just want to read text damn it! i can only imagine how much more frustrating it is being visually impaired.
@osanna Especially when you have commands. I was born with commands as I used ms-dos at the beginning of 90s. But now, I honestly prefer something semi-automated for the “dirty” activities, as for configuration files it’s very difficult to find the issue if you have a conf file made of dozens of lines, a long serie of indentations, punctuation signs and apostrophes everywhere, just forget one and you are screwed.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m saying that this can take double time of work, than an ordinary sighted administrator. I’m somehow envious of those who create a self-host platform on their very own, starting from a blank page.
So many things. Mostly Kubernetes and FluxCD, but also doco-cd for managing a few deployments on my NAS with GitOps.
