• leoj@piefed.social
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    Iran has shown that the United States needs NATO, and NATO needs the United States, more than ever. If Iranian Shaheeds and their manpeds / S300s are hitting US fighters and sneaking past defenses, who knows what more advanced or just sheer high scale weaponry could do, air superiority does not feel guaranteed.

    A near peer (Russia) conflict would be ugly on a scale not seen since WWI, a true peer (China) conflict would unleash horrors we cannot imagine. We will all need each other, as NATO is a significant deterrent factor, which could actually save the lives of millions through deterrence, or shift the balance of warfare through increase manufacturing and safe zone output.

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      Keep in mind that the US are the only NATO member that refused Ukraine’s offers of assistance, training and intelligence sharing on anti-drone warfare. The rest of us have been actively wargaming how to deal with these kinds of threats for quite some time. The US is not a litmus test for the cutting edge of NATO anymore.

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    Sadly pulling out is not something the family is known for. Imagine if his father had. Man now wouldn’t that be something.

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      The most patriotic thing his father could have done was

      Tap for spoiler

      come on his mother’s tits

      Seriously though. Fuck this American nonsense already.

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        I don’t think so. Don’t get me wrong, trump is 100% a symptom. But there’s no one with even close to the cult of personality. Not even Musk. Who would takeover? Couch fucker? Thiel? That ghoul Ellison?

        Nah, without trump they would have to be smarter and more competent to push their evil. And shockingly sometimes competent evil is better than stupid evil. I’d rather not see either. But that’s not a choice we get to make unfortunately.

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          I think you’re right no one else had the personality to form the cult, but the behind the scenes player have gotten where they need to be and are embedded enough they don’t need what follows to be another Trump. Elon is too egotistical to control, Vance has no charisma but will comply (better than Pence did). It won’t matter if the cult dissolves, they played their part, and even their objections won’t matter.

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            I don’t know I think if people saw Shadow president Miller and his raving they would be pretty turned off. Elon isn’t really directly involved anymore. Peter Thiel knows he turns people off by them looking at him.

        • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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          anyone could be pumped up by the media over a long enough timespan, just like trump was.

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      The orange child rapist is an idiot… the occam’s razor is still that he is too stupid, has no clue how anything works and is simply making one foolish decision after another.

      Being this stupid, he is very easily manipulated (as is evident by now), so maybe Putin is manipulating him… but honestly, trump is simply too stupid to be anyone’s “asset”

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      It’s not a carefully choreographed puppet show…

      It’s like an art exhibit where any random person can walk up and yank on strings, often in opposite directions.

      You’re assigning order to chaos, the same reason every early civilization had a “lightning god”.

      Our brains want an explanation, so we invent them to explain chaos. Even when the explanation is clearly not matching up to reality.

      Reality is a lot worse than just trump doing whatever Putin asks.

      It’s less “puppet” and more multi-player QWOP where random people each have a single button.

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        To steal a wonderful turn of phrase, Putin doesn’t pull Trump’s strings because he doesn’t have to. Getting him elected was enough. “Trump is a fire and forget idiot.”

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      Will make zero difference to ardent supporters of the death cult. They know. They’ve known for years.

      They do. Not. Care.

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    It is a shame his father didn’t pull out of his mother.

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      trump inherited his fathers POS qualities, he was going to play ball with fred or hes not getting the inheritance, and it was also passed down from his DRAFT-dodging grandfather too.

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    I wish his hideous mom had done the same 80 fucking years ago or however old this sack of shit is

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    Also werden die Amerikaner das schaffen, was der EU nicht konnte: eine echte EU Armee… Danke sehr, ihr Schweine

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    He can’t. He doesn’t have the authority to. Congress ratifies treaties. Congress cancels treaties.

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    Do it then moron. USA = the only country to invoke article 5 in NATO. 🤡

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    Great. Get lost. So when you attack Greenland or Canada, article 5 can be used against the US instead of it being an internal dispute within NATO.

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    NATO is a defensive alliance. USA just showed the world it can’t even defend a 100 mile strip of water. How will it defend its allies when USA is crying it can’t do it and the allies have to take over. There isn’t much added value.