• TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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    Regardless of whether this particular article is true or not (haven’t attempted to verify), most people probably don’t know of this source and should. This garbage fire of a source doesn’t belong on a news community.

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      Because they’re non-billionaire funded, anti-imperialist, independent media that provide real perspectives and info that mainstream media purposely omits (for the purpose of manufacturing consent for regime change wars and preserving US hegemony around the globe)?

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        info that mainstream media purposely omits

        Oh, you mean like denying al-Assad’s 2013 chemical attack on Ghouta? I’m glad they’re telling the real truth that the slimy MSM wants to keep hidden. (Of course I know you do mean that, because you’re a fucking tankie disgrace.)

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          Love how you constantly quote Wikipedia as if it’s some unbiased source that isn’t just a mashup of propaganda sourced from US-funded AGM outlets.

          https://thegrayzone.com/2021/07/26/syrian-insurgents-guilty-of-red-line-2013-sarin-chemical-attack-study-finds/

          Sorry to disrupt your sense of comfort with a dose of reality. I know the ultimate goal of you libs is to protect your peace of mind at all costs, no matter how much you have to ferociously attack leftists and ignore the death and destruction your Democrat politician heroes inflict upon the Global South and the innocent civilians of the Middle East.

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            I love how you’re using fucking The Grayzone to support this – understanding that most readers here won’t have heard of it and its well-earned notorious reputation. Yeah, fucking no shit The Grayzone also denies al-Assad’s atrocities.

            I removed the numbered citation indicators from that quote for elegance (because they serve no purpose here), but it’s well-referenced, which is why I put it there with a link such that anyone was welcome to trivially check those references.

            Sometimes I wish a hell existed so that tankies like you could wind up there for constantly, full-throatedly denying atrocities – famine-induced genocides, cultural genocides, chemical attacks on civilians. You don’t give a single, solitary shit about “anti-imperialism”; you just want a monopoly on imperialism.

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              If you read the reporting from Grayzone, you’d have seen that the study done by MIT proved that the sarin missiles used would not have reached Ghouta if sent from the Syria Armed Forces and that video footage showed Liwa Al Islam (a foe of the Syrian Armed Forces funded and armed by the Saudis, and probably the US) committed the attacks (and the US blaming it on Assad helped manufacture consent for their regime change war). But details (and innocent lives) don’t matter to you imperialist psychopaths. Like I said, all you care about is your personal, privileged comfort and peace of mind, and I’ve obviously hit a nerve as evidenced by how ferociously you’re attacking me.

              And just so we’re clear, since the details matter, imperialism is not defined as “having a military” and “defending one’s own sovereign country.” It is, as defined by your favorite, Wikipedia, “the maintaining and extending of power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism, employing both hard power (military and economic power) and soft power (diplomatic power and cultural imperialism). Imperialism focuses on establishing or maintaining hegemony and a more formal empire.“ As an anti-imperialist, my politics are based on fighting not only imperialism, the highest form of capitalism, but also capitalism, US hegemony, and the evils and chaos that the US wreaks upon the free peoples of our world so that billionaires can buy more yachts.

              And if you cared so fucking much about genocide, you’d think you’d care about the fact that the US & Israel are committing multiple genocides now with impunity and your precious mainstream media is literally egging it on and platforming regime change architects, warmongering diasporoids, and fuck ass CIA propaganda, resulting in the death and carnage happening every day that everyone in the US govt fully supports. I know what side you’re on and it’s not the side trying to stop the death and destruction.

              Lastly, you have indeed created a hell for tankies and for all oppressed peoples across the world by supporting liberal capitalists and imperialists in power (who are all funded by the same billionaires and Zionists as Trump). I wouldn’t wish the same for you (unless you’re a Zio billionaire) and sincerely hope you can find a way to do some good, or at least stop attacking the people that are trying to do some good in this miserable capitalist hellscape we’re all trying to survive our way through.

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                If you read the reporting from Grayzone, you’d have seen that the study done by MIT

                Oh hey, good news: I did! And it’s bullshit. It funnily links to a NYT article covering it (I guess they’re credible if and only if they’re supporting your side). It also leaves out that credible organizations like HRW (which I’ll say, preemptively, I know you’re going to dismiss, but you’re going to dismiss anyone against your war crime denial in bad faith, so I don’t give a shit and neither should anyone else) pointed out at the time rebels didn’t have the means to do this.

                Moreover, it conspicuously fails to mention a later debunking of the notion that the Lloyd and Postol’s conclusion is some kind of slam dunk:

                When questioned about this in a recent interview with the Turkish website Diken Hersh dismissed the Volcano rockets, seemingly because he believes a range of “a mile” somehow means they should be discounted as important to his narrative. Hersh refers to the work of Ted Postol and Richard Lloyd who believe the range of the rockets is about 2km. But this range issue isn’t the problem Hersh appears to think.

                Video footage from both sides of the conflict has allowed researchers to accurately find the positions of government controlled areas on 21 August. The Russian-language news site ANNA News posted two dozen videos showing “Operation al-Qaboun”, a Syrian government military operation running from June to August 2013. Embedded with Syrian forces, they were able to film the progress of the operation to clear positions between Jobar and Qaboun, a strip of land about 2km away from the 21 August impact sites.

                Videos from opposition groups show the other side of the fighting, including attacks on checkpoints and government movements. Based on this information it appears that the front lines were about 2km away from the furthest impact sites of rockets used on 21 August. Only two rockets landed at the 2km maximum range described by Lloyd and Postol, with the reported impact sites of the remaining rockets being between 1.5km-1.8km away. It has been possible to confirm the precise impact locations of some of the rockets by a combination of GPS information, satellite map imagery, photographs and videos, and around a dozen impact sites were reported by local groups in eastern Ghouta. Hersh’s belief that the 2km rocket range is enough to dismiss them from his narrative is clearly misguided.

                Despite Hersh’s claims we can clearly see that the rockets were used by the Syrian government, and within range of government controlled territory.

                Your funeral if you want to keep denying well-established war crimes only still denied by e.g. the Russian government, fringe, tankie propagandist outlets, and said outlets’ moron readership. Whereas outlets like MintPress and The Grayzone may precede their reputations here with readers who aren’t well-informed about propaganda outlets, they surely do know that someone coming in here with apologia for al-Assad is batshit insane.

                I wasn’t sure you’d let yourself get baited this hard into revealing who you really are, but here we are, I guess.

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                  We could debate this for hours or longer (as people in that Guardian article’s comments section were) and never convince each other. The fact that it is so disputed and the details are not fully known, and the fact that Obama literally said the use of chemical weapons by Syria would cross a red line a year before the attack, and knowing the history of the US empire and its relentless greed and hunger for power and control, I am inclined to believe it was a false flag, just as you are inclined to believe the CIA propaganda/Western mainstream media line that every leader of a sovereign state that stands strong against US hegemony is a baby murdering dictator (even though all of the presidents of USrael are themselves baby murdering dictators). But I’m just a fringe tankie moron so don’t listen to me.

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    Funny how Iran still has better transgender healthcare than either.

    And to be clear, I am well aware of why that is, and I don’t for a moment support the ‘death or transition’ choice forced upon homosexuals that led to that particular development.

    But since America is fast tracking to executing homosexuals anyway thanks to idiot voters and the Heritage Scum, Iran still somehow comes out ahead of them.