At 1Gbps, I think ours is one of the fastest in this part of Germany…
the photorealistic AI image model that they use looks scarily realistic
Because it’s more profitable to charge people without upgrading the infrastructure. That’s how privatized systems work. It used to be about building a better product to attract consumers, now it’s about squeezing consumers for the most profit and minimizing costs.
It’s only more profitable if there isn’t competition. He lays it out quite well in his blog post. It’s not like the Swiss ISPs are all publicly owned.
Honestly, fuck American ISPs, but what on earth would you need 25 gig fiber in your home for? We have a gig line that actually runs at a gig 99% of the time, and I can be downloading a steam game while 3 separate videos are being streamed and I won’t have stuttering. 25 gig sounds cool, but also utterly pointless
Home e-business and you run your own servers. Or cohousing, one building where multiple families live under one address.
A bluray remux of a whole series can run in the hundreds or thousands of gigabytes. I want to be able to download and watch it the same day I decide to do so.
Blueray bitrate is lower than even 1gbps so even full remux is downloadable at a speed you could begin to watch it the same day while later episodes continue to download. You wouldn’t need the full series downloaded up front.
It saves time. You cannot buy more time, only preserve what you have left.
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Also, depending on where AI goes, those gigs might become filled with activity. For example, every house having at least one AI server that works for the residents. That would decentralize the AI infrastructure and authority, which serves both the personal and national interests. Harder for a data center to be destroyed, when it doesn’t exist in the first place. The people also get to decide to whom the spare time of the AI can be lent to, which helps diffuse the power of corporations and government.
Look, I hate these data centers, but the vast, vast majority of them won’t be using residential lines. They’ll be running their own lines in order to not have their traffic be tied up by slow downs during peak hours. And with how expensive and difficult it is to run a model that’s worth the half a fuck the bullshit machines we have now are, an AI server running in every home is not only unlikely, but with how central these big companies want to keep everything, simply not happening. Hell, the vast majority of people who have been forced to use these chat bots in everyday work hate them. Plus, most people barely know how to install apps to their iPad let alone how to run a local server
I can run a 35b-3a AI model, on a single videocard, and have it translate a Japanese game within a day. A year ago, that would have required much more hardware, and would have taken longer. Your position is bad, because it doesn’t acknowledge a developing reality, and more importantly, surrenders the future to jerks by default.
It’s only around $100 for a pcie 25gb Ethernet card. Not particularly a huge hurdle.
Networking researcher here. Your bottleneck wouldn’t be the NIC, but memory bandwidth, CPU compute (for TCP), PCIe bandwidth, and Storage bandwidth, also the bandwidth of the server you’re connecting to. You’ll also need some sort of fiber SFP connection for your entire house, and those have firmware that usually makes them vendor locked. Most networking issues are also latency related, so increasing your throughput to 25Gbps wouldn’t help.
So yeah, not a good time for home use.
I’m pretty sure that nic cards for those speeds would really need more hardware offloading and dma to stand a chance of those speeds. With those it should be possible. With the right hardware handling there shouldn’t be a problem, ssds connected to pci manage a lot more.
In real terms, right now who needs it aside from to post speed test results?
I have gigabit symmetric and can upgrade to 2.5. But, I cannot imagine we’d need 2.5 let alone 10 or 25. And I’m a fairly heavy user.
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All NICs already work off of DMA to access/copy packets into/from memory. Yes, even your $10 ones. So “would need DMA to stand a chance” doesn’t have any technical meaning other than putting a bunch of words together.
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The bottleneck for TCP is sequence number processing, which must be done on a single core (for each flow) and cannot be parallelized. You also cannot offload sequence number processing without making major sacrifices that result in corrupted data in several edge cases (see TCP chimney offload, which cannot handle the required TCP extensions needed to run TCP at 1Gbps). So no, “more offloading” is easy to say but not feasible.
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Who needs it: data centers trying to scale legacy software, or dealing with multi region data replication (rocev2 is terrible for long distance links). But no, no home user would need it
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If the internet had been around back when the U.S. Constitution was written, instead of post offices, the framers would have put in ISPs.
Look, I could have fibre… to my apartment. The problem is the underlying connection is copper, so there’s no point. I live in Switzerland.
ITT: Europeans don’t understand population density and actually believe they have villages that can be described as “remote”.
OK, now explain why you can’t find a decent ISP in a major American city. (That’s right, it’s because of monopolies and enshittification.)
“In the US, 100 years is a long time. In the EU, 100 miles is a long distance.”
I’m sure this will be lost in the comments but you CAN get 25GBit here in 'murica. My ISP offers it… But this ISP is also considered one of the best in the world so… https://epb.com/fi-speed-internet/#choose-your-plan
Dang I pay $900 for 5gbit
$30/mo for 10 Gbit here in Japan. They just started offering 25 Gbit in parts of Tokyo this month for $200/mo
I really am hoping to leave the US in the next year or so, unfortunately Japan wasn’t on my list but…maybe for that…
Your casually picking a country to move to based on internet speed is nuts lol.
That’s daylight robbery, how is that one of the best in the world ?
Those are insane prices. I live in Brazil and I have gigabit internet for 32-ish dollars.
Are those converted to USD?
How much do you make in salary after taxes?Because as far as I read everywhere about US and salaries, it’s not that unusual for regular skilled jobs to achieve 6-figure yearly salaries.
it’s not that unusual for regular skilled jobs to achieve 6-figure yearly salaries.
This is a… very messy and complicated area to talk about and there are plenty of stats and data setsyou can cherry pick to make things sound better than they are. Consider things like median vs average, whether or not you excluded retired folks, etc.
This graphic is a decent toe in the water:
Just for reference Init7 offers 25 Gbit/s for 65 CHF a month. Thats about 83 USD.
They have the same monthly price for 1 Gbit/s 10 Gbit/s and 25 Gbit/s. Only the initial install for the higher speed optics costs 77 CHF or 222 CHF more respectively.
I’m still on their 1Gbit/s service because I’m too lazy and cheap to replace my router and LAN with 10 Gbit/s equipment.
Most hardware does 2.5Gbps out of the box these days.
I’ve had 1Gbps for 13 years now (in Denmark) and can comfortably say: it’s plenty
True most motherboards, even the normal ones, now come with 2.5G included. But upgrading to 2.5 G feels like a wasted middle step if the next tier of external connectivity is at 10G, so I’ve not done that either haha
Lol $1500 a month. JFC.
Right? I’d rather get 3x10gbit and bond them together.
Lmao. I have 25 Mbps. Let alone 25 Gbps. Thanks Malcolm turnballs
I have fttp and it goes airtight but I pay for the best I can get and still only get 850mbs on a good day.
But 3 years ago I only got 18Mbps so my jump on speed is amazing
What does airtight mean in this context? I’ve only heard that term in a much different way…
Ah my bad, meant to be “Alright”
Also curious because I understand airtight to mean something vastly different
Probably slang.
In Breaking Bad one Tuco said “Tight, tight” while snorting the meth.
So I’ll assume this is the next higher level of “tight”.Oh airtight is the next higher level of tight all right lol
They will never give you more unless something forces them to. That could have been us, forcing them to, but we’re shit at accomplishing those kinds of things.
Google tried to break regional US monopolies with Google Fiber, which to my surprise is still going despite Google’s best efforts to kill off projects that aren’t immediately successful and is active in 19 US states or around 40 different cities.
The only way I can see this catastrophe ending is one of three ways:
- Satellite internet - Elon Musk would need to massively drop the price of Starlink to encourage others to switch, or a competitor would need to pop up and offer similar service at a lower price point, likely through Blue Origin or Virgin Galactic.
- The US collectively vote the Republicans out of office by a landslide and bring in a left-wing Democrat leader. Won’t happen for so many reasons.
- Mesh networks. Something like Freifunk but on a much bigger scale.
Not only is Google Fiber still going, it actually has begun expanding service again after being stuck in limbo for a while.
It’s a strange one, to be sure, but I guess they see a benefit to the infrastructure they built.
Google Fiber unfortunately got sold to a private equity company and merged with Astound.
Google Fiber is massively expanding in my state. They blew through my neighborhood in about a week getting the lines installed at the street. Then a month or so later we’re setting up the per house installs. I’ve only had it a few months now.
I got this email on March 26th though. Once their expansion slows and the number of new subscribers starts to taper off I expect the full enshitification process to begin.
You know I wanted to defend America and be like no way of course there is 25 gbit…
But there isn’t. None. Not even in business offerings.
Fuck comcast. Fuck 2tb bandwidth limit unless you get their fuckass router. Fuck them.
Not that it absolves them of their bullshit, but you can set their router to bridge mode and use your own. It still removes the bandwidth limit.
It is a PITA to set up bridging though, thanks to their fuckery with the software. Fuck comcast
Well you just have to make everyone rich first! Then when everyone’s rich they can solve the problem all by themselves! (Jordan Peterson’s argument for climate change.)
Switzerland is fucking tiny.
That’s why.
By that logic Tuvalu’s internet must be amazing.
That’s absolutely logic, certainly.
By which logic do you mean? My guess. You don’t know.
Oh, that’s where you go dark.
Whatever you say bud.
Enjoy the dial up.
If you need numbers on the end of your name. Please insert that many miles of cactus up your dumb ass.
If I did that I still wouldnt be as butthurt as you.
No, read the article
I did. Ty for the condescending waste of my time. May you suffer bone cancer.
I’m not engaging with someone who wishes other people cancer for correcting them
Me neither… Maybe, the person is drunk… I dunno. Blocked and reported that… Not what we need on Lemmy or anywhere else…
No it isn’t.
There is no correlation between population density and broadband speed in the west.
Not relevant to the point but that is a terribly color coded graph, there are multiple indistinguishable pairs
Edit: worse than that, how do you tell New Zealand, Germany, and the Netherlands apart? Norway, Spain, Iceland?
I’ll talk to my researcher.
Netherlands has highest population density and New Zealand the lowest of those three.
Also throw Switzerland onto this plot and suddenly there’s a massive correlation
What is this? From where?
TP for your bunghole…? Ok Beavis!
With many mountains and streets, scattered settlements.
That affects latency and throughput how?
Not much.
Well, Austria is right next to it. It’s tiny, too. So why is it not as good?
Oh, I dunno. 🫨 Why don’t you tell me why what applies to a subset doesn’t necessarily apply to the superset.
China has a bigger landmass than the US and China’s internet is insanely fast. Just like the 5GA. The US is like dialup compared to China. Especially now only Netgear is allowed in the US compared to the innovate technology from the likes of Huawei.
This is apparently a different China than the one I’ve worked in for the last decade.
You may have a theoretically fast connection - but even then it’s not particularly cheap (I pay less in Romania and Thailand for FTTH,) and the actual qualify of Internet bandwidth is beyond atrocious for any non domestic traffic (i.e. anything crossing the great firewall.)
Which is not to be negative about China, it’s got a hell of a lot going for it - I’d live in China before I’d live anywhere in the US - but great Internet is not one of those things.
Maybe you live in a 4rd level city, but here in Shanghai, the speed is fenomal. I download a 4k atmos movie in mere seconds. And outside because most of the city is covered by 5GA, it’s crazy fast. Whenever I go back to Europe, I struggle with both the fixed line speed and whatever they claim is 5G.
New Tier 1 actually; Shanghai is very much China for amateurs, of course - but that’s irrelevant; you might not realise this but the vast majority of Chinese also don’t live in Shanghai.
Lol… Ok…
China has been able to leverage new roll outs while US deals with cost sunk fantasies.
I love how that’s always the cop out for any advancement.
How exactly are facts and maths cop outs?
There are states with better fiber deployment than Switzerland.
But generally, think of it as highway design. That’s the American way, after all, and it also stinks.
Switzerland: mostly point-to-point where each home gets its own dedicated fiber strand. Upgrading to 25 Gbps can be as simple as swapping optics(multi spectrum) on each end. Some places in USA do this. Some offer 100 gbps, symmetrical.
United States: mostly point-to-multipoint (PON: GPON/XGS-PON) One fiber is split among 32–64 homes. Everyone shares the bandwidth.
And they say Americans don’t have socialism. But that’s the problem. When there’s socialism it’s the public subsidizing corporations.
