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I’m not sure how that’s true since we wouldn’t be here in the first place without capitalism. Its the only known system efficient enough to get this far, that we know of anyway.

Nevertheless, going back to my original point… Moving on to better technology only works once its feasible enough, no matter what the economic system is. Ideology doesn’t negate the reality of resources.

I think it can get much worse.

Hopefully AI means more investment into renewables, as well.

That’s… that’s how change… works?

Fair enough… I meant more in the lines of Europe appeasing (germany in particular) appeasing Russia, but then again, Russia is not directly at war with Germany.

I don’t think the issue is growth related, I think it’s rather about more and more money going to the top 1%. And that issue is accelerated in USA due to badly regulated corporate capitalism. Greedy shareholders and short time thinking are signs of that, because they keep getting away with it. Looks like this isn’t going to change until there is a massive crash…

I mean, you two clowns are the ones claiming that i’m a reactionary (which by extension would imply that communism is progressive, because reactionaries deny progressivism and all that jazz), I just disagreed with that. It’s not like I just claimed out of nowhere that communism isn’t progressive, I just responded to what you asshats started. But you wouldn’t get that, reading comprehension and all that.

What’s with you coming up with things out of nowhere? First you call me a reactionary for no reason. Now you for some reason talk about me blaming you for brigading my posts or something… I have 0 posts on lemmy lmao. Are you delusional? Fighting with demons there.

Okay let me try to summarize how you two absolute clowns have been derailing this thread.

1. the poster calls out lemmy[.]ml, lemmygrad[.]ml, lemmy[.]worldhe xbea r[.]net for being communist and he does not want to see that shit
2. the user mayo_cider thinks he is somehow calling him out by stating that lemmy was made by communists… so what? that doesn’t contradict point 1 whatsoever. yes, it was made by communists, but the whole point of a decentralized platform is that it doesn’t mean that we have to be see communist drivel somehow. it’s not inherently a communist platform.
3. the op responds with good reasons why he dislikes these instances. lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot. lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
4. you respond to that the hex one is exactly what the people leaving reddit should be told… fair enough, its your opinion, whatever.
5. I respond to you that I disagree, I don’t want to see that crap, and seeing similar things in reddit made my experience miserable there as well. I just have a different opinion, still all good.
6. Now you call me a reactionary (which I am not, but thats besides the point). Here you already derailed the topic, its just some personal insult stuff with no actual point behind it. I guess I offended you somehow by not liking hexbear content, go figure. I did not call you a dirty commy or something because of what you said in comment 4. You derailed by making it personal and making no points whatsoever.
7. now ProfessorOwl_PhD responds to me by claiming i don’t know what words mean and i should google. they are wrong with that assumption, but fair enough, all good this far.
8. I respond to ProfessorOwl_PhD by specifying that I know what words mean and I even make a correct assumption that I was being called a reactionary in comment 6. because I don’t like communism.
   I don’t know why we are talking about this, but fair enough, lets clarify then.
9. now in that response, ProfessorOwl_PhD, instead of accepting that they misunderstood my comment, they further derail the topic by starting to argue that anyone who opposes communism are reactionary… Why are we talking about this? What does any of this has to do with comments 1-5?
10. I respond, because why not. But I did not start this and I have very low interest in this derailment. I did not start this and I don’t know why we are here. Also, this is where I start to mention that I’m not interested and lets wrap it up. Why would I be interested in this discussion, if my whole point from my comment (5.) is that I don’t like to see communist crap in my social media platform? Would it not by extension be clear that I DO NOT enjoy engaging with it?
11. ProfessorOwl_PhD completely ignores that i’m not interested and tries to get political with me. I’m not interested so at this point I’m not responding to the contents of their comment. This is just further derailment after all.
12. I respond with stating that their reading comprehension must be really bad because they just refuse to get my point that i’m not interested.
13. now you step in, somehow finding it ironic that I call them out on their reading comprehension, where i’m implying that i’m not interested. No, it’s not ironic, and no, you are saying nothing of value here. Derailing.
14. Now I call you both out for derailing.
15. You claim that somehow all these comments (6-14) have been related to the original comments in the thread (1-4). They have not. Also you say some weird schizo shit about brigading that has nothing to do with nothing, even more derailing and personal insults.

Did I clear it up? Probably too confusing for you, let me guess, you will respond with even more points that have nothing to do with anything. You already called me a reactionary and a brigading “victim” for no reason, what fantasies are you coming up next? Don’t keep me waiting! Or actually do, I’m not going to respond any more.

I don’t necessarily disagree, although I don’t see it so extremely. I also don’t think that in the worst case scenario where USA goes full backstab mode, we somehow get super tough and independent and magically make our own alternatives to everything they provide or find them elsewhere. It would be a massive long term economic and quality of life hit, there is no way around that. Europe is also aging and the rest of the world is also slowly catching up and culturally and politically they are more different from us than USA.

Yes, doubly so, because it applies to you. You two jokers have been derailing this thread so bad.

I told you i don’t want to discuss politics with you fools. Being “tough” is not going to negate that. I’m not going to engage with your nonsense nevertheless. Apparently you fail to understand that.

I mean… to be fair. Could this work? Better open source and shit than closed source and shit, am i right…

Yes, now are arriving at the crux of the disagreement. I disagree, I think USA has been a lot more helpful than unhelpful, not to mention WWII. But I think this would be moot to argue about because neither of us will budge on our opinion.

Anyway, given that difference in how we see USA, I think they are potentially still much easier to work with than much of the rest of the world and we can mutually benefit from each other A LOT, granted that USA gets it shit together. Yes I understand that you disagree with that, but this is my point.

I have very low faith in the current administration of USA, they need to get rid of that shit. Or even better, just abolish the whole 2 party system, democrats are not that great either, get rid of lobbying and the rampant corporatism and then we’re talking… I know this seems pretty impossible right now, but I’m just saying if they did all that, they would be an amazing partner to Europe.

I still think that even the way USA has been until recently, they have still been a big net positive to Europe, but I also agree that Europe has gotten complacent, especially after the cold war. I just don’t think US working against us would wake us up so much that we would somehow elevate ourselves to some better level. In reality we would likely have to start aligning more with China, which is a lot yuckier.

I don’t think so, I think I made a point and then you are arguing a different point entirely.

My point is that having USA, as a RELIABLE partner who DOES NOT have this toxic side (the true face they are showing), would be more beneficial for Europe, than an USA that is working against us. It is quite impossible to have a healthy partnership with any country on earth and that being bad for us somehow. Granted, if its doesn’t make us too dependent on them. But I’m talking about a partner that WOULD NOT be like that.

There is just no way you disagree with that.

our efforts are best spent elsewhere

they are not, its not an either-or.

I’m not saying this shake-up is not good, I’m saying USA permanently not being an ally would be bad. Obviously we would want to be more independent and strong and less reliable, but that doesn’t mean we need to fight USA over greenland or have permanent trade wars with them or whatever.

well he does seem to admire Putin after all

I did. My point is that europe would be better off with USA as a reliable partner rather than whatever it currently is. Nowhere have I said that it means we need to somehow make it work with the current USA administration or that nothing has to change whatsoever. But in principle, it would be much better to have USA as a partner rather than as an enemy. I’m not even saying it is realistic right now, I am saying, in general, it would be better. And from that one sentence alone what you said, i’m pretty sure you agree. So you are just arguing against something I never said in the first place.

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There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.

So you agree. What are we even talking about then?