• plyth@feddit.org
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    8 days ago

    it would take a major EU reform to work

    That’s why this is bait. They need a central government for it which would turn the EU into another US. We don’t have a fundamentally different population that would resist propaganda and vote for useful politicians. That centralized EU government would be corrupted by the billionaires like they have corrupted the US. The EU would fight for their benefit and all democratic structures will be undermined to secure the influence for the billionaires. The national competition keeps the EU as honest as possible under current conditions.

    The US was a union of independent states. The centralization of more and more power is what turned the united states into the United States.

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      6 days ago

      Well yes, but that has already all come to pass, europe is proper fucked, you might just not realize it yet. The UK is first, the US second, the rest of the west isn’t far behind.

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          5 days ago

          Just by how things are going. The UK is worse than the US our blowhard pos leader aside. But the US will fix elections, then help the far right, the only ones running as popular (fake) reform against unpopular oligarchic stooges, across the west, get elected. Not to mention Russia, and the rest of the billionaires in on their bullshit.

          It would be easy to stop, in Europe, with some popular opposition, but somehow we don’t have that seemingly anywhere. Just oligarchic stooges. France is going to fall sooner than later, idk spain, italy, germany, the netherlands, to say nothing of australia. This is a half century long shit show by the bosses to seize absolute power.

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      8 days ago

      The US way anything but centralised until well into the 19th century. Yet it was able of enduring an effective common defence. In some regards the EU is more centralised than the US today. or at least less dysfunctional.

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        6 days ago

        The US from the start kept an Officer Corp. Traditionally Senators could get their patrons in there, at west point.

        The rest was militias and state armouries. The Union soldiers I think were recruited through the states not the federal government itself.

        They did commission armies or navies for a purpose, but would disband them after, like our first engagement to pursue the barbary pirates based around Tunisia that were harrassing our shipping, not long after the revolution.

        I don’t think it was until WWI that we had a standing army. Or a permanent income tax, (they started one in the civil war then ended it after the war.)