Sources tell The Independent that at least 60 per cent of Iran’s missiles have survived the Israeli-US attacks while its nuclear facilities remain largely undamaged amid delusion in the White House, reports world affairs editor Sam Kiley
So we’re supposed to own what we didn’t vote for and only happened because we have a bunch of morons and propagandists plus a horrifically anti-democratic system called the electoral college? Nope, sorry. I don’t own this. Even if I were willing to take some responsibility, which I’m not (I tried to talk sense into countless idiots), it’s way more complicated than “Americans voted for this”. And it’s by a lot.
Just curious. Exactly what would be gained if I thought this was my fault? Would my introspection transfer by osmosis to millions of trump cultists?
You’re muddling a few distinct concepts like “fault”, “blameworthiness” and “responsibility”.
It’s the collective fault of the country: the guy won the popular vote.
I don’t blame you, personally.
But ultimately you share the responsibility of resolving the situation.
In my experience, people who get prickly about the basic facts (the guy won the popular vote, there is no failed system here… you literally can not blame the electoral college… merely a failure of the electorate) really are clamoring for a way to say “there is nothing I can do” and “Somehow someone has to do something but it’s not me and doing nothing is actually totally morally fine”
What is there to gain from calling people out? I want you to be honest enough about the facts of the matter that you are agitated enough to not go quietly into that goodnight. That you don’t tie off and mainline “Nothing I can do” just to sleep at night.
You’re right about the popular vote. I keep forgetting that because it’s not been the case previously and for so many other Republican presidents. You say I’m conflating these concepts but imo they are all intermingled by default, especially in the case of who owns trump. I wish I knew what to do. I tried joining a local action group but I don’t really see it being valuable and I don’t agree with all of their approaches even if I thought they could get shit done.
There is a feeling of hopelessness right now and who can blame us? Even if we manage to convince Democrats to move further to the left, and it works, we still have SUCH an uphill battle to fight moving forward. Fascist ideology is popular, obviously. And no I’m far from advocating for doing nothing. I just don’t know what I can realistically do in the short or long term.
I totally empathize with the hopeless feeling. People are feeling it all over the world.
It breaks my heart to see Americans bailing. Denouncing thier citizenship.
There are like 2 billion people who WISH they could be an American ONLY FOR VOTING DAY just to wait through thr wind and rain and ICE beatings and shootings and whatever, just to help restore some degree of sanity to the world.
But we can’t. And Americans are joking (or actually) running away to Canada. Americans get all pouty and then don’t even show up to vote. Like, even if sometimes you feel like there is nothing you can do, think of the billions on the planet affected by this man who have even fewer options than you do.
Show up, vote, get your friends to vote, don’t let them skip voting. Tell lazy stupid people who are abstaining from voting that they’re being lazy and stupid.
This guy is fucking up the planet by like every measure, but most people on the planet can do absolutely literally zero about it. You can do at least a little!! Just make sure you DO it! We are all literally counting on you. The jabs are just to keep you awake. Keep you from getting complacent.
Register and participate to push the needle to actually get a half-decent candidate and then make sure that your lazy friends actually go vote, because a ton of them said they did but didn’t. Understand how voting and registration rules may be changing in your area so you can help make sure you and your friends even can vote.
I know it’s glib, but really… get involved in your local community. You can’t really help anyone on the internet, but you can make a practical difference in your community.
And it doesn’t actually matter if you’re in a deep blue or deep red jurisdiction either. Polling does affect results, people love hopping on a bandwagon. If you can contribute to a “deep red state goes from 95/5 to 90/10” it’s an infectious shift which could move other needles elsewhere past 50.
Don’t succumb to hopelessness, or the idea that there is no impact to be made, or that for some reason you can’t make an impact.
Well, he won the popular vote… so it’s what most people explicitly voted for, or failed to show up to vote against.
Either way: bad look. There was a leg to stand on with that argument in 2016, but not now.
Own it, don’t dismiss it, and then fix it.
Almost. He won a plurality with 49.8%.
So we’re supposed to own what we didn’t vote for and only happened because we have a bunch of morons and propagandists plus a horrifically anti-democratic system called the electoral college? Nope, sorry. I don’t own this. Even if I were willing to take some responsibility, which I’m not (I tried to talk sense into countless idiots), it’s way more complicated than “Americans voted for this”. And it’s by a lot.
Just curious. Exactly what would be gained if I thought this was my fault? Would my introspection transfer by osmosis to millions of trump cultists?
You’re muddling a few distinct concepts like “fault”, “blameworthiness” and “responsibility”.
It’s the collective fault of the country: the guy won the popular vote.
I don’t blame you, personally.
But ultimately you share the responsibility of resolving the situation.
In my experience, people who get prickly about the basic facts (the guy won the popular vote, there is no failed system here… you literally can not blame the electoral college… merely a failure of the electorate) really are clamoring for a way to say “there is nothing I can do” and “Somehow someone has to do something but it’s not me and doing nothing is actually totally morally fine”
What is there to gain from calling people out? I want you to be honest enough about the facts of the matter that you are agitated enough to not go quietly into that goodnight. That you don’t tie off and mainline “Nothing I can do” just to sleep at night.
You’re right about the popular vote. I keep forgetting that because it’s not been the case previously and for so many other Republican presidents. You say I’m conflating these concepts but imo they are all intermingled by default, especially in the case of who owns trump. I wish I knew what to do. I tried joining a local action group but I don’t really see it being valuable and I don’t agree with all of their approaches even if I thought they could get shit done.
There is a feeling of hopelessness right now and who can blame us? Even if we manage to convince Democrats to move further to the left, and it works, we still have SUCH an uphill battle to fight moving forward. Fascist ideology is popular, obviously. And no I’m far from advocating for doing nothing. I just don’t know what I can realistically do in the short or long term.
I totally empathize with the hopeless feeling. People are feeling it all over the world.
It breaks my heart to see Americans bailing. Denouncing thier citizenship.
There are like 2 billion people who WISH they could be an American ONLY FOR VOTING DAY just to wait through thr wind and rain and ICE beatings and shootings and whatever, just to help restore some degree of sanity to the world.
But we can’t. And Americans are joking (or actually) running away to Canada. Americans get all pouty and then don’t even show up to vote. Like, even if sometimes you feel like there is nothing you can do, think of the billions on the planet affected by this man who have even fewer options than you do.
Show up, vote, get your friends to vote, don’t let them skip voting. Tell lazy stupid people who are abstaining from voting that they’re being lazy and stupid.
This guy is fucking up the planet by like every measure, but most people on the planet can do absolutely literally zero about it. You can do at least a little!! Just make sure you DO it! We are all literally counting on you. The jabs are just to keep you awake. Keep you from getting complacent.
OK, it’s a huge problem. Now what
Register and participate to push the needle to actually get a half-decent candidate and then make sure that your lazy friends actually go vote, because a ton of them said they did but didn’t. Understand how voting and registration rules may be changing in your area so you can help make sure you and your friends even can vote.
I know it’s glib, but really… get involved in your local community. You can’t really help anyone on the internet, but you can make a practical difference in your community.
And it doesn’t actually matter if you’re in a deep blue or deep red jurisdiction either. Polling does affect results, people love hopping on a bandwagon. If you can contribute to a “deep red state goes from 95/5 to 90/10” it’s an infectious shift which could move other needles elsewhere past 50.
Don’t succumb to hopelessness, or the idea that there is no impact to be made, or that for some reason you can’t make an impact.
Nice reply, thank you.