Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can’t trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.
A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please… and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money… these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.
Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people… but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.
But, alas… It’s Musk saying it so it’s only to further enrich himself and won’t actually happen.
Uugghh! Every time I hear him speak, I am reminded of just how stupid he is. He thinks like a 12 year old.
Not one mention of how robots that do all the work for us, is going to solve the problem of how people are supposed to be able to afford to live, when no one has a job anymore.
Are you volunteering to pay for everyone’s UBI, Elon? No? That’s what I thought.
He is not a smart man. He maintains a facade of supreme intelligence, somehow, and continually tricks people into believing it. If anything, it’s more a reflection on the American people than anything else, and that’s incredibly disappointing to type out.
I just don’t think this is the case. He’s an incredibly smart man but his intelligence lies in assembling talent and raising investment to allow said talent to create the vision. He’s basically in the same vein of Steve Jobs. Our media driven culture likes figureheads so he gets all the credit and has started to believe his own hype. Bill Burr the comedian has a great bit about their function.
Musk is a horrendous man but clearly very autistic and desperate for a validation that money and success can’t provide. There’s something very tragic about him. The bitterness and resentment that sits at the base of his ego, frustrated at not being popular or ‘cool’ despite his success and money drives a LOT of his bad decisions. It’s all an attempt to control.
tesla/spaceX have literal teams whose only job it is to keep this moron from driving the company into the ground.
he’s an idiot.
This is an insult to twelve year olds. Seriously. I was never as stupid as this guy at 12. I would have STARTED with how to deal with the people displaced, not omitted it entirely.
That is a fair point. I apologize to 12 year olds everywhere. That was an unkind comparison.
Also WHY would we want robots to do the work for us ? The problem is generally the working conditions, not the mere fact people have to do it.
Quite a claim from the guy who labeled things “Full self driving” and “Autopilot”. 🙄
That’s because despite what many got fooled, he isn’t an engineer, he is just good at selling shit to people.
As aneengineer he is the worst kind of marketing rep. His BS claims have to be back filled and it never works. “Requirements by Press Release”
By “eliminate poverty” he means let robots do all the jobs the poors do and let the poors die.
“Eliminate poverty” vs “E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E poverty”
Eliminate, as in make liminal. He’s gonna make the poors mad liminal, brah , and he’s got the shrooms to prove it
This is astonishing.
He’s hoarding the profits of automation for himself, while socializing the lost wages and poverty that will come from this.
But the issue is that we know full well that they’ll escape paying out their massive profits as taxes, which is what MUST happen for the model to work. Shareholder payouts need to be taxed at like 50+% rate or even more.
There needs to be a hard cap on wealth at around 100 mil, but defined relative some multiple of a median yearly salary.
If the salaries grow, the total wealth cap can grow too. And vice versa.
Large wealth should be about luxury and having lots of toys, and not about being a law-making aristocrat who is themselves outside the reach of the law like now.
People who hit wealth cap should have no privacy, and be banned from any interactions with the government. There should be some trade-offs to huge wealth. A mega wealthy person should lose something for the priviledge of having so much wealth. Also mandatory psychiatric tests, to make sure they are human and not a lizard in a human suit. OK, I am joking about the last part.
Keep trying to fix something that doesn’t work.
What don’t you understand?
We have had capitalism for over three hundred years and now it has come to its end and here we are trying to prop up its corpse.
It’s time to become an adult as a (human) race and let the people take control of society.
No longer should we let the control of society be in the hands of the few.
Tax shareholders 100%. No more shareholders.
It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.
That’s not money, that’s power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn’t an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it’s power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
He bought the whole US president. Watch him kill SLS and Gateway the second Issacman gets confirmed as head NASA admin. I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
It’s not that they can’t fund their own: it’s “why would they, when they can use their wealth and influence to get it funded by taxpayers?” https://youtu.be/kTlhIQeBWHI?t=20
Unless you buy Twitter.
No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?
No one takes X seriously.
Is that why most politicians, musicians, comedians etc, still treat it as their main platforms to get info out? Because they don’t take it seriously?
The big problem is actually that they do. That social inertia works so slowly that they didn’t.
That some random crypto company making Bluesky was the closest to a solution, and it looks like it will also have some power crazed person leading it.
I still think there’s a difference.
When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of
- if you don’t do what I say, I’ll destroy you by doing XYZ.
- you better change your laws or I can fuck shit up in some way.
- I can break the law because you can’t fucking touch me.
- Your example: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.
He did get power from it yes, but I still think there’s a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.
Gotta say this difference seems very arbitrary. He bought a company, and platform. Both direct how people spend their time. A platform is obvious but a company, he directs what the people who work there work on. Its definitely a match to somewhere far past where money buys you things.
There’s all kinds of power and influence of people through the press is a very traditional kind of indirect power for people to wield. When I talk about money as power it definitely includes the power to influence how people think and vote and act without putting an actual gun to their heads. Twitter is the new TV and TV was the new radio and the radio was the new newspaper… All kinds of wealthy and powerful people in the past sought control of the press, not only for their own desires, but also as a bargaining chip with other people with power: “do this for me and I’ll make you look good on my platform…”
These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It’s not quite the same.
FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.
It’d be more like if FSD wasn’t ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.
He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.
Is this the guy that did a Nazi salute at your President’s inauguration?
Judge for yourselves!
Isn’t this the same guy who tweeted that he would end world hunger for something less than $6 billion if the World Food Programme would supply a plan? And then WFP supplied the plan. And then Musk just…didn’t supply the funs to prevent people from starving.
Not quite, someone posted that he could end it and he responded that if the WFP provided a plan showing the specifics of how world hunger could be ended for that amount he would fund it. WFP then provided a plan for how that amount could be used to help reduce world hunger for a short time and Elon said “the claim was end world hunger, not reduce it temporarily” which meant they didn’t meet challenge.
Isn’t this the same guy who performed two sieg heils in front of a live audience on live TV. Then he was to much of a sissy to admit it.
I miss pre-obama times when I didn’t know every corrupt jackasses name from spouting BS on Xitter.
So his robots will eliminate the poor?
That’s what I’m hearing. Honestly, I think that checks out.
Elon is a fucking grifter. Tesla sales plummeted about 50% after Elon’s public nazi shit and the company is somehow not losing money. Elon starts claiming Tesla is an AI and robotics company. They have no viable AI products (Tesla self driving is shit compared to the competition) and their robotics are decades behind conpeting companies (like boston dynamics) yet somehow Tesla still is making money…with 50% reduced sales and dumping money into product development for things that are far from ready. I bet someone is cooking the books for Tesla so hard the whole company is constantly about to burst into flames.
It also has ties to the government where a lot of money is still coming from. Money that should probably go to NASA instead.
I also believe that there are ways to inflate apparent wealth (or rather, value of stock), which Musk is a master of. It will pop eventually and boy will it be nice to see him fall. Not that he’ll ever be really poor, but still.
Perhaps he should get Full Self Driving to work first… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ooh ooh and that hyper-loop bullshit. Oh and that tunnel boreing thing.
…Fake solar tiles, manned missions to Mars, fake electric semi trucks, mind controlling brain implants…
I still can’t believe the man tried to sell tunnels lmao. Actually sold one to Vegas 😭
Premiere of Ontario wants then under hundreds of kilometers of highway.
But not for trains or public transit??
That’s already killing people, he’s looking to the future with his robot army
I’m not even going to look up what “Optimus” is. I don’t waste time on this clown anymore.
You just know already he’s gonna scam, grift and cheat to get that pay package, not do anything worthwhile.
And if he can’t get it, he’ll cry and sue to get it anyway.
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in the oligarchs dialect it translates to “eliminate the poor not useful for slave labour”
Lets imagine things go just as he wants and we have army of robots doing all the work and such. Robots who he controls. All over the world, most likely, if they are really useful. People would start to depend on them more and more. Imagine if someone could turn off your every convenicence, or your entire country at a whim?
These people already have all the money in the world, yet they will never be satisfied. What is even left for them except complete domination of all of us?
He probably means it’ll feed the poor into a wood chipper.
“Feed the Poor” haha I see what you did there.
