Despite decades of evidence on the toxic effects of lead battery recycling, companies opted not to act and blocked efforts to clean up the industry.
Misleading headline making it sounds like all battery recycling poisons people. Half assed battery recycling is half assed.
Also sodium ion or some other lead-free formulation will likely replace lead acid 12v batteries over the next few years.
Headline clearly leads “Auto industry warned” implying this is an industrial issue specific to them. And it is. This is not misleading.
The issue is that they are offshoring the lead recycling to very poor nations that have no environmental protection laws. Why? Cos cheaper.
Same issue with almost every industrial problem - the dangers are off-shored. Out of sight, out of mind. The US auto industry was warned about this exact prpblem and pleaded with to set up monitoring and a clean battery sourcing program - and of course they did nothing, because the only way corporations listen is with law and effective enforcement of those laws.
Doing things improperly with dangerous materials is unsafe. News at 11:00.
Imagine the damage recycling EV batteries will cause.
Not to be anti-EV, but more to be pro-transits/bike.
For what it’s worth, it’s not anti anything to point out flaws. If anything, it’s being pro because it opens the door for a conversation; which, if both sides come at it in good faith, can lead to change.
I think that my ratio makes your point, lol. I neglected to note that we need to do better, instead of just leaving it open ended.
My understanding of the current process is that it’s quite wasteful/under development. With the state of things as they are it seems unlikely that the automakers are going to improve things over the recycling that they encouraged with lead acid. But one can hope, and lobby for change.
Yeah, I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. Everything you said is true, and respectful.
I think open-ended can be okay, so long as there are milestones we can achieve (i.e. try different things out to see what works and what doesn’t). Something as big as the environment, health/safety, and not completely alienating industries (as much as I hate to say it, we do need them and their resources to an extent), is not something that is going to be easily solved without compromise.
I expect that my last two points will not win me any popularity contests, but they cannot be ignored.
I like it, but it’s contingent on Americans actually wanting to solve the issue instead of one upping each other.
Yes, but there are a few of us out there who want to see good things happen for all people.
Americans are unlikely to solve anything until their society goes through some dramatic changes.
Which is kinda what your post is doing
Lithium and lead are drastically different elements.
This is the same shit people use to lambast vaping based of the effects of inhaling burnt plant matter.
No one is doing that. Dihydroacetone released from heated vape juice is just as carcinogenic as tobacco compounds. Huffing any chemical in high concentration is stupid.
“Just as carcinogenic” is not demonstrated by that study.
Also “inhaling any chemicals is stupid” shows their level of knowledge considering the air we breath is a chemical.
please fuck off you know what I mean. sucking on mystery chinese chemicals is stupid.
Oh they’re “mystery chemicals” now? I thought you posted a study referencing a specific chemical.
This exactly highlights my previous point about conflating cigarettes with vaping. Now youre arguing “we dont even know what’s in them so they’re definitely harmful because look at how harmful this completely separate product is!” We’re supposed to just take your argument on faith despite your inability to even use the proper terminology all because this other inhaled product with completely separate chemicals and chemical reactions is bad for you.
"we confirmed the mutagenesis observed using the supF reporter plasmid. DHA increased the mutation frequency, consistent with methylmethane sulfonate, a mutagen and clastogen. These data demonstrate DHA is a clastogen, inducing cell-specific genotoxicity and chromosomal instability. "
I know, big words.
Yes, carcinogenic. Not “just as” carcinogenic.
I am a biochemist. These are not big words to me. I actually read the findings section, not only the abstract.
Look man, you need to do better. You want busses to run on diesel, or really any hydrocarbon? No that’s idiocy at this point. So we still need to recycle stuff. We already know how, but the misleading article makes it seem like we don’t, cu they tried to half ass it.
Imagine the damage recycling EV batteries will cause.
EV batteries are mostly aluminum, some lithium , carbon as graphite, small amount of cobalt and nickel. None of these are as toxic as lead, but proper lead recycling is not toxic.
Currently my understanding of lion recycling is they grind it, dump it into a slurry, and some of the metals are recovered and the rest is a toxic soup. Mostly because the recycling is very much under development.
I think that the lesson we can draw from this is that the current system of auto recycling needs more guidelines as we move forward with EVs.
Outdated. The materials are recovered at high yield and can be infinitely recycled. It kills the idea that we can’t make enough batteries, no more credible than we can’t make enough beer cans.
That’s great news, as an EV owner. I don’t need to worry as much about the future state of the pack.
pro-transits
How pluralizing an uncountable/mass noun implies pros are transiting.
The hyphen removes that option of intended meaning.
