That’s irrelevant, because of course no European country is a vassal of France.
And not of Germany or UK either.
It can be argued that we were voluntary vassals of USA in some regards, because we trusted USA. But that trust has been so thoroughly broken, that all European countries are now clearly breaking free of American dominance.
But for more than half a century the Pax Americana was mutually beneficial. USA has now broken that, and prefer to go it alone instead of having strong allies.
Yes, I have worked with them, talked with them, etc. Great people. As a Norwegian I have a lot more culturally and politically in common with the French. I’d rather live in a vassal state to a modern liberal democracy over the underdeveloped turd reich.
I’m sorry but why do you “people” think that anyone arguing for nuclear proliferation is a Russian bot? And why are you too much of a fucking cowardly bitch to just make the rule-breaking claim directly instead of couching it behind 2012 era agitprop?
You were not talking about nuclear proliferation in the comment I was responding to, but made the ridiculous claim that Norway turned itself into a vassal of France. Following up towards another poster with a smear against “French people”. That said, I take back my comment towards you in respect of the rules. Maybe you should take back yours too.
I am not sure if that agreement can be called “nuclear proliferation” when it does not change the number of nuclear war heads, does not spread nuclear war heads to another nation nor does it give any additional government control over nuclear warheads.
I was, you assumed otherwise. Norway submitting to France’s ‘protection,’ means they must always agree with France, they cannot ever go against France, otherwise they’d lose protection.
That’s being a vassal state. Vassal states are and were states not powerful enough to defend themselves, so they sought protection from Empires that felt it would be too costly to conquer them but still needed some of their resources.
Nuclear proliferation is the solution to prevent vassal states, and have an actually independent Norway. Unless you’re a nuclear power, you do not have an army. You do not have any form of defense. It does not matter what you do, you are under the vassalage of a nuclear power. Picking France over Russia is fine, I guess, but the effect will always be the same.
So you are arguing really for proper nuclear proliferation with Norway getting its own independent nuclear capabilities like France. The only small country having nuclear capabilities is Israel, and they surely pay a hefty price for it and are extremely dependend on the support of another major power nonetheless, probably more than Norway is dependent on France, even after this deal.
If France renegades on that deal, the worst thing that happens to Norway is being in the situation form before that deal.
Ukraine has no nuclear warheads and is bombing a nuclear power heavily (defending against its aggression), damaging a lot of its strategically important oil and gas industry btw. A nuclear deterrent is a strong power but it is not the only way to exert hard power, nor does the lack of having nuclear weapons make a country necessarily easy prey.
Ukraine has essentially received materials and nuclear protection from the entire western world. The US has explicitly stated they will retaliate (well Biden did) if nuclear weapons are used. They are lucky they are white enough. They also just genuinely surprised the western world in the first two weeks, as it was assumed they would fall, given the country’s history of extreme corruption and multiple intelligence agencies presuming their lack of military capability would fail them long before Russia ran out of steam.
While e.g. Norway is white, and notably less corrupt, there’s only so many times the entire western world can rally behind a country being attacked. If any multi-polar attack were to be launched but not turned nuclear, there’s very little that could be done for some of the victims. Some country would fail to be protected, and they would fail.
Nuclear protection for Ukraine, do you have any credible source for that claim?
Materials and arms from other countries, hardly makes a case against your point that you have no army unless you have nuclear arms.
Even if Biden said anything. Biden isn’t in power anymore and even with him it was far fetched to believe the US would risk nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine. This whole premise has become entirely absurd under Trump.
OK I take that as a statement you actually believe it, which is very far out there.
Of course I know they don’t have nukes. And so do everybody else. It has been Norwegian policy, and this is actually a change of that policy.
But having an ally is not being a vasal. Is France being a vassal to Norway for doing what Norway want? Or for buying oil from Norway? Am I a vassal of Germany for driving a German car.
Where does you logic start on being a vassal, and where does it end?
I seriously doubt you have the slightest clue on that yourself.
Unfortunately Norway has become a vassal of France. And that’s possibly worse.
How is that worse than being a vassal of the US?
That’s irrelevant, because of course no European country is a vassal of France.
And not of Germany or UK either.
It can be argued that we were voluntary vassals of USA in some regards, because we trusted USA. But that trust has been so thoroughly broken, that all European countries are now clearly breaking free of American dominance.
But for more than half a century the Pax Americana was mutually beneficial. USA has now broken that, and prefer to go it alone instead of having strong allies.
Have you seen french people?
Yes, I have worked with them, talked with them, etc. Great people. As a Norwegian I have a lot more culturally and politically in common with the French. I’d rather live in a vassal state to a modern liberal democracy over the underdeveloped turd reich.
How is the weather in Peterburg?
I’m sorry but why do you “people” think that anyone arguing for nuclear proliferation is a Russian bot? And why are you too much of a fucking cowardly bitch to just make the rule-breaking claim directly instead of couching it behind 2012 era agitprop?
You were not talking about nuclear proliferation in the comment I was responding to, but made the ridiculous claim that Norway turned itself into a vassal of France. Following up towards another poster with a smear against “French people”. That said, I take back my comment towards you in respect of the rules. Maybe you should take back yours too.
I am not sure if that agreement can be called “nuclear proliferation” when it does not change the number of nuclear war heads, does not spread nuclear war heads to another nation nor does it give any additional government control over nuclear warheads.
I was, you assumed otherwise. Norway submitting to France’s ‘protection,’ means they must always agree with France, they cannot ever go against France, otherwise they’d lose protection.
That’s being a vassal state. Vassal states are and were states not powerful enough to defend themselves, so they sought protection from Empires that felt it would be too costly to conquer them but still needed some of their resources.
Nuclear proliferation is the solution to prevent vassal states, and have an actually independent Norway. Unless you’re a nuclear power, you do not have an army. You do not have any form of defense. It does not matter what you do, you are under the vassalage of a nuclear power. Picking France over Russia is fine, I guess, but the effect will always be the same.
I see, I did indeed misunderstand you.
So you are arguing really for proper nuclear proliferation with Norway getting its own independent nuclear capabilities like France. The only small country having nuclear capabilities is Israel, and they surely pay a hefty price for it and are extremely dependend on the support of another major power nonetheless, probably more than Norway is dependent on France, even after this deal.
If France renegades on that deal, the worst thing that happens to Norway is being in the situation form before that deal.
Ukraine has no nuclear warheads and is bombing a nuclear power heavily (defending against its aggression), damaging a lot of its strategically important oil and gas industry btw. A nuclear deterrent is a strong power but it is not the only way to exert hard power, nor does the lack of having nuclear weapons make a country necessarily easy prey.
Ukraine has essentially received materials and nuclear protection from the entire western world. The US has explicitly stated they will retaliate (well Biden did) if nuclear weapons are used. They are lucky they are white enough. They also just genuinely surprised the western world in the first two weeks, as it was assumed they would fall, given the country’s history of extreme corruption and multiple intelligence agencies presuming their lack of military capability would fail them long before Russia ran out of steam.
While e.g. Norway is white, and notably less corrupt, there’s only so many times the entire western world can rally behind a country being attacked. If any multi-polar attack were to be launched but not turned nuclear, there’s very little that could be done for some of the victims. Some country would fail to be protected, and they would fail.
Nuclear protection for Ukraine, do you have any credible source for that claim? Materials and arms from other countries, hardly makes a case against your point that you have no army unless you have nuclear arms.
Even if Biden said anything. Biden isn’t in power anymore and even with him it was far fetched to believe the US would risk nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine. This whole premise has become entirely absurd under Trump.
I can’t even imagine how deranged a person would have to be to actually believe that.
You must absolutely be trolling.
You believe Norway has nuclear capabilities and can independently act militarily as a nation against a nuclear power?
Which one of us is ‘deranged’?
You. 100% you.
OK I take that as a statement you actually believe it, which is very far out there.
Of course I know they don’t have nukes. And so do everybody else. It has been Norwegian policy, and this is actually a change of that policy.
But having an ally is not being a vasal. Is France being a vassal to Norway for doing what Norway want? Or for buying oil from Norway? Am I a vassal of Germany for driving a German car.
Where does you logic start on being a vassal, and where does it end?
I seriously doubt you have the slightest clue on that yourself.