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So, my options are iPhone or Graphene?
I m trying SailfishOS with the new Jolla Phone. Only a suitable choice for nerds I suppose, but that’s not an issue for me.
How’s banking working on Sailfish? Seriously considering Jolla for my next phone but it must work with my bank app.
Probably not that good, because unless your bank can be run fully through the web it will probably detect exactly the same (maybe more) things that wouldn’t go through on things like Graphene.
Depends on your bank. Many Apps work with compatibility layer, some don’t. There is a community compiled comoatibility list: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/banking-apps-on-sailfish-os/18438
Me personally, I like to get rid of my banking app entirely. Maybe I am old but I do banking onky on my Desktop system anyway.
I move around quite a bit and pack light so my desktop/laptop are not always an option. Sad as it may be, my phone is pretty much my main computer.
I love the idea. Having a sortable, searchable list of everything that hits my plate day to day would be an awesome boon, I simply don’t want anyone else to have that data :(
This would be such a cool thing, too bad it will only be used to scrape our data in order to sell us more ads. There are far too many technologies and concepts that have been ruined already due to bloody greed.
Hey, don’t be so pessimistic.
For sure it will be available for government agencies to subpoena or even outright purchase.
This is the free market. Everything about you is for sale.
I’m sure this current administration and some oligarchs have been, and are, doing everything in their power to know as much about each of us as possible. With AI and some Doge ‘behind the scenes’ work, a bad actor could say “I want to know everyone who shows even a slight bent to the left” so we can target them." Control and manipulation is the point. Everyone reading this is a target. And I’m sure I’ll be bumped up on their ‘people to be concerned about’ list after writing this.
Yeah the down side of Lemmy having an open API is that anyone at all can scrape it to train whatever they want.
I would advise doing as much as you can to not put real info about yourself on here (maybe even some fake info to poison it).
All the people in charge of everything are fucking leeches.
Microsoft introduces “Recall” spyware the world goes mad, Google and Apple do something similar and it’s mostly silence.
I’m not defending Microsoft but it just shows the double standards between the trust in these corporations.
I consider Graphine OS but on the other hand there is so little value left due to enshitification. A library card and a flip phone is probably the way to go.
Because all of their customers were clamoring for such a “feature”?
Of course, it will have the option of being “turned off”.
I mean, we’ve all long suspected our phones are listening to us anyway, why not make it into a “feature”.
The biggest douchbags in the world, besides billionaires, are the people who still use Google—including Gmail and chromium based browsers.
Are you a douchebag? Let me hear your crybaby bullshit.
(Not you OP)
I use chromium for a few sites and I use gmail and youtube,
Guess what that makes you ;)
A douchebag? Sounds like an upgrade from a total loser. :)
Were you a total loser before?
yes
It’ s easy to dismiss everyone as “douchebag” if they don’t align with your world views.
The world view that privacy invasion is a bad thing.
Personally, I think the real douchebags are web devs who only build and test for chromium based browsers, making some critical tools completely unusable on Firefox/Linux systems. Looking at you, Chase.com.
Really, anyone who develops third-party software that entrenches monopolies.
idk about you but never had an issue with chase’s website on Firefox that prevented me from using it.
Yeah, I use Chase on Firefox every month with no issues.
You’re probably just out of date. I had some issues recently on Waterfox, realized I was running a not-super-new version, and things worked great after I updated the flatpak.
There are more pressing things in the world. Doesn’t make someone a douchebag for having more appropriate priorities.
It’s almost like true douchebags are the ones who are completely unaware of how the real world works and think everyone in the world should warp their worldview around what they think is personally most important.
The real world of supporting privacy invasion?
Fuck you Pichai you fucking banchode.
TIL what a banchode is….
“Banchode” (often spelled “banchod” or “benchode”) is a vulgar Hindi/Gujarati slang insult roughly meaning “sister-fucker,” similar in strength to “motherfucker” in English.
Pronounced bench-o-day?
Aaaand it’s Niantic all over again.
Welcome to your “I only buy vintage tech” era.
Mine started when 3.5 mm audio jacks started disappearing. We all draw a line. Proof progress isn’t always forward going.
Well there are adapter cables USB-C to 3.5mm. On my previous phone in my car I used a splitting cable to power it while using the 3.5mm as input to the car radio. However on my new phone Samsung decided to not support it anymore -.-
They don’t always work good. I’ve tried many even Apple versions. It’s finicky somewhat for the audio to pickup like in a car with an aux to the adapter to phone usbc. They do work. Just not perfect. Still prefer 3.5mm jacks and wired headphones. Wireless junk has almost always been a scam to me. Batteries and bluetooth wear out.
I’m going off memory here, but I think this was an issue way back with some phones having DAC hardware built in, and others skipping that hardware in exchange for requiring dongles that included such?
Maybe you just need to find a new dongle? Hopefully that helps and sorry if it doesn’t, but I’d rather just have a headphone jack back and skip all the complications…
Alternatively - the pocket computer revolution is beginning. Hell, many in my tech circles are making cyberdecks and the sorts with hopes of only using a phone to make and receive calls. Disconnect from the ‘big’ in Big Tech, not the tech :D
Technology divergence is inevitable after corporations saw that convergence into an “all in one device” made their work much simpler.
No surprise feature phones, MP3 players and dedicated-use devices are making a comeback. My wish is for full pocket computers to return.
I agree but we all carry spy devices with us, it’s too late.
Reason n+1 for me to be thankful to have switched to GrapheneOS.
How’s the app support? I want to switch if/when the Motorola phones come out, but I’m wondering how many of my apps/services I’ll have to abandon.
I am yet to find any app that doesn’t work.
I’ve had zero apps not work, including my banking apps.
Some bank apps may not work, but you can check by searching for you bank name + GrapheneOS
I found this list helpful: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
I also found that one of the ones I use would only work in the Owner profile with Gplay services so the secondary profile wasn’t an option for it.
Amazing for me tbh. I only had to give up contactless payment since my bank switched to google wallet and I have 0 google apps on my phone. Obtanium and Aurora store are life savers.
I switched a few months ago and overall its been an excellent experience. Some pitfalls though:
- Banking apps may not work, Santander in the UK for example but I’m going to transfer away from them
- Contactless pay through google wallet doesn’t work, I couldn’t find a way to attach a card to the back of my phone and also keep pixel snap usable so I bought a small pixel snap wallet that works nicely
- Recently Volkswagen and vw group enabled google play attestation for their app and not hardware attestation, so my cars app no longer works. This is probably the most frustrating for me because as an EV owner there’s no other way to track the charge of your car other than via the app. This is particularly annoying when using public charge points and you can’t track the charge progress when walking away from the car. First world problem, I can just leave it alone and let it charge without keeping an eye on it but that’s annoying to me, I’m sure I’ll get over it.
- Because of the above, I’m concerned other apps may start to follow suit. For example “too good to go” in the UK is “not compatible” with my device from the play store because it doesn’t pass the play attestation… Hopefully it’s not a trend.
Overall though I would highly recommend. All the other main features work flawlessly.
One of my banking apps enabled Google Play attestation. It’s really infuriating. I don’t understand the point either - AFAIK all apps need to be signed with the dev’s private key anyway, don’t they? If they are then why would anyone care where I downloaded it from?
Take a look at OVMS (open vehicle monitoring system). I use it since I have an EV because I don’t want to pay for “connected services”.
Almost everything just works after installing sandboxed Google Play Services. For a few apps you have to tweak a setting to turn off some of GrapheneOS’s exploit protections. But I’ve found very few that refuse to run, and nothing indispensable. If you don’t like your main profile having Play Services you can set them up under a second profile or a private area and keep the apps that use them away from your main profile.
The other thing that might be a dealbreaker for you is no contactless payments with things like google wallet will work. But you could always just attach your credit card to the back of your phone and :tada: it works again lol
Contactless payments technically work fine, just not via Google Wallet. Banks that have their own tap to pay app usually don’t have that problem.
You must be lucky to have such banks in your country.
I can confirm that the Sparkasse Mobiles Bezahlen in Germany works with GrapheneOS (Pixel 7 Pro)
There’s several EU countries that do. Some of them as part of a push for sovereignty, but most, I think, cause they developed their solutions before Google Wallet was enabled in that country.
I’m unaware of anyone but curve, and curve seem to shadow-ban you for having rooted or weird phones and then claim kyc failure. In general they are quite shady and have poor customer service.
You know any other ones? Would be very useful since I think anyone in the eurozone could then use those.
There was no work profile support when I last tried to convert. deal breaker, atm.
Just grab an app like Shelter.
0% of the apps/methods available at the time worked with my employers setup. I did everything except the adb method. ended up getting a crap phone for work. it just sits on my desk anyway.
Oh, you mean a profile set up by your employer. Actually, dunno whether that works. I never let any employer touch a personal device.
that is the point of the work profile when used as the non-primary profile.
same phone; but work profile cannot see or interact with the primary profile or configure the device. if the corporate account is used as the primary, they can wipe the phone remotely.
That has been working fine for years at this point.
me and the other folks trying to get this working disagree. there are several threads about it on the GOS forum.
Yeah, I was thinking of separate profiles in general, and had never encountered the concept of an employer controlled separate profile. When I needed a device for something work related, I usually got issued a phone.
Those were the days…I used to have a personal phone, corporate phone and a site phone! The multi phone inconvenience was real…
Ive only got one gripe with it and its the requirement for RCS. I do prefer to use signal but genuinely only one person I know has gotten on to it. I hate using google messages but for folks that send me bulk pictures from iOS its just a hassle until there’s a Foss one that works but there isnt to my knowledge. I do know RCS only works on the main profile goo
You still gave your money to Google for the phone…
What a useless and irrelevant comment that adds less than nothing to the conversation.
No, I gave it to the person who resold the phone at a lower cost than what I would’ve paid to get it from Don’t Be Evil Inc.
Doesn’t help if someone you’re talking to has it on. And unlike Zuck’s stupid glasses you won’t even be able to know unless you ask every single person you talk to first. This sucks.
It’s probably illegal in Germany and some other EU countries. Not that that always stops Big Tech. But this one, at least in Germany, could land the user some jail time.
It’s illegal in parts of the US too
“For Pixel Phones”. So it’s a hardware thing… for now.
Um, oh fuck no.
The reams of personally-identifiable information that will leak is insane.
We’re not allowed to have Siri and Alexa listening when we’re working, lest a stray word on a phone call from the home office risks a privacy breach.
No fucking thank you 😒
Big Brother Google is always listening, and probably would sell anything they’ve recorded to make a buck.
Maybe a lot of people in 2-party consent required jurisdictions should write in to google to state that they explicitly decline to consent to being recorded by google’s bullshit
