Everyone wants this and it’s taking decades…
I’ve never been bothered by the time changing twice a year, why do people want to abolish it so much?
Yes, I suffer greatly every time. My inner clock is very strong and is not willing to adapt.
I very never heard anyone discussing this in real life outside of maybe 6 days a year. Much less so since smartphones became people’s primary clocks since they auto adjust.
People also don’t agree on which time should be kept.
6 days a year is quite a bit, but also the frequency at which it comes up in conversation is not really relevant to whether people want/don’t want?
As a programmer, DST creates tons of bugs for anything using time and is annoying. But whatever, I guess I get paid either way.
As a parent, DST is miserable. It’s miserable as an adult, also, but multiplied misery when you have to get up early to ruin your kid’s sleep. And then that night they’re not ready to suddenly go to sleep an hour early so you lose an extra hour…
I hope Poland succeeds.
the act of changing clocks twice a year is profoundly fucked up to people’s circadian rhythms .
as well as the government deciding for you, what time it is, is kind of orwellian when i think about it.
i want my body to adapt naturally to the sync of the sun, i think we all could use a little bit more nature.
As a programmer, I would never put anything except UTC or Unix time into a computer program or database. The front end can show the user whatever localized bullshit they want to see.
But if you consume data from something not in utc and need to get it there, there is still room for bugs.
I changed our systems a previous job to store all in utc and got made to put it back to jst (Japan). That was … Fun
Most of the time, yes, but not always. Sometimes you actually need local time stored rather than UTC. Simple example: alarm clock. User wants to be waken up at 7:00. No matter if it is summer time or winter time. Even if they travels to a different time zone - still will want to be waken up in the morning. If we store this time as UTC much more unnecessary and error-prone conversions will be needed. Similar issues may arise with other calendar events. Of course, at some point this will be converted to UTC for comparison with actual point in time.
Every year when the clocks change people are cranky and start demanding this kind of thing be eliminated. Politicians capitalize on it and say they will do something about it. In a couple of weeks everyone forgets about it.
In the end, the government can’t do anything about the tilt of the Earth and there is no time system that can be devised that will make everyone happy. Many people like having more light in the evening and wouldn’t be happy if DST were eliminated. People are going to be cranky for a couple of weeks in the year but it’s generally considered worth putting up with so people have more daylight in the evening rather than having it before they wake up.
We can get rid of DST while keeping that extra hour if we default to summer time, not winter. DST statistically causes many accidents twice a year, because our brains aren’t ready / thrown off their rhythm, so making away with it would have a positive impact outside of not being cranky anymore
Ain’t that right. Going through it with our first this week and I get it. Of course the little guy is ticked off. He’s feeling all of the confusion and tiredness we are without knowing or enjoying any of the benefits.
Last push ended because of COVID. What’s it going to be this time, Bird Flu or Texan Measels?
WWIII and no time to deprogram the military infrastructure aka MaaS to not adjust savings time.
Fingers crossed
DST seems to be such a mess. We should start doing it state by state if EU doesn’t want to do it all at the same time. Poland should lead the way and be the first
I we were in true democracies that thing would have been scrapped long ago. Not a single person like it or see any actual purpose on it.
That’s true, no-one likes it. But the attempts to end it got stuck on democracy, unfortunately. People were inable to get behind one solution. Some countries prefered to keep the natural time, some wanted the summer time. There are reasons for both approaches and lots and lots of emotions. It was unreasonable to let different EU countries addopt different time systems, so the whole idea to get rid of the time changes was scrapped.
I don’t really see the issue. Many different countries already have different timezones. Spain for instance have different timezone than Portugal.
Spain has the same timezone as Poland, despite most of Spain being west of Greenwhich, which is one hour later already.
It is evident that the choice was made politically, with the message being that easy compatibility with the economies of France, Germany and Italy was more important, than the clock reflecting the course of the sun.
Spain is the very example of the difficulties of timezone politics.
France actually was in the same timezone as the UK before WWII and the German occupation. My grandma remembers switching to “German time”. Franco’s Spain similarly changed timezones in 1942 to match their German allies. So, yes, the change was made politically. :-) I’m guessing France is also responsible for Algeria
and Moroccobeing in UTC+1, not sure if they’ve ever discussed changing zones.Edit: I just checked and I was wrong about the Moroccan time zone. Algeria is in UTC+1 though (all year long, they don’t use DST), not sure why it’s in yellow on your map.
You’re right.
I had such high hopes back in 2018, I think France was pushing for it. Now 7 years later with still no progress I think the best bet is to move to China, India, Russia or Hawaii, or any African country except Egypt. Or South America except Chile. You see the overwhelming majority of people in the world don’t have the DST bullshit.
India? You mean the “+05:30” timezone? I’d rather not deal with that :30 tbh. I like having my timezone arithmetics quite simple, just adding and subtracting hours. A half hour offset is worse to me than having to switch which offsets to use when. (Still better than Australia Central Western with its +08:45, but that’s a low bar to clear.)
YES! LET’S GO!
Last time there was a vote and most people wanted to remain in DST permanently. Somehow then the whole thing just died out. I don’t think it’s ever gonna happen
We want to stay in summer time though, right? Right?
Actually I quite like it. You get daylight in the morning in winter, and longer evenings in the summer.
Without DST you have to choose between: in winter you go to work in the dark and come home in the dark, meaning you don’t see any daylight apart from at weekends, which is especially depressing if you work in a place short on windows; OR you waste a bunch of daylight in the summer mornings and have shorter evenings when the weather is warmer and it’s nicer to be outside.
I am a programmer. Not sure why this would be a problem. Just fix the computers to GMT+X and for the most part it won’t matter. It’s not as if I have to rewrite DST code every few months.
The issue is more with embedded systems which have been hard coded to European DST.
Most sane software will use the OS timezone and not care about DST. Most sane embedded systems will have some config for DST. I bet there are lots of cranky unsupported things which are horribly broken though.
Living in eastern Japan for a decade, I don’t miss changing the clocks and the misery around that time. I do wish east Japan would move by an hour, though; before 4am sunrises (getting light from 3-something) and dark before 5pm in the winter sucks.
Meanwhile, Ohio wants to keep DST as their standard which is infuriating.
I understand wanting more light in the northern hemisphere early in the day. It adds safety for school children mostly in the winter months, but I don’t understand why we can’t just change the start and end times of school to coordinate more light at those crucial times of day.
Thankyou, I thought I was crazy because no one else sees this most obvious solution. Why do we need DST at all? If you are a farmer or a school or whatever then just change your start time as necessary. Changing the time itself for everyone twice a year is a daft approach.
Who gives a fuck about ohio?
Who the fuck cares about DST? My bad for sharing an opinion on the internet, but go ahead and keep hating from across the pond.
I mean, we are in c/Europe
I call bullshit. they’ve gotten rid of daylight savings and the 12-hour clock in most of Asia, but it’ll never happen in Europe. democracy doesn’t work like that. bullshit
Seems like EU members are currently mostly split on whether to keep summer time or the other the default (so the current system will stay)
Could they not move it to a halfway point between the two?
Just keep whichever time lets us sleep one more hour before doing away with it, instead of losing an hour.
Obviously I’m not a farmer, but I probably wouldn’t care much for DST if that was the case anyway.
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Overslept for gaming session this year again. DST should have been abolished decades ago!
