• someguy3@lemmy.world
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    28 days ago

    Think 40 years from now, what will the be the criteria for success? It’s keeping the US in. Not some organizational shuffling.

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      28 days ago

      40 years is an unreasonably long timeframe to be making projections like this. Assuming the US is still having elections there will have been 10 opportunities for their government to completely flip-flop its intentions in that time.

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        28 days ago

        What? The point is to take a long term view of what is successful and what is not. When you’re sitting there in retirement, what is the measure of success in your career. Success for Rutte (and Nato) is not some organizational shuffling, it’s keeping the US.

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          28 days ago

          Success for Rutte (and NATO) is protecting NATO members against invasion or attack.

          If the US’ membership is raising that risk for the other members rather than lowering it, then in that situation letting the US exit can be a net benefit for NATO’s members (which would no longer include the US).

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        28 days ago

        Yes but if they don’t it will be 40 years of extra security.

        I can’t really see how America been in NATO can be anything other than a good thing. They’re not great allies at the moment but that uncertainty about how America would respond is what’s keeping China from attacking Taiwan.

        It’s not worth throwing all that away just so we don’t have to talk to Trump anymore.