cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1247209/all-cars-sold-in-the-eu-now-require-a-camera-aimed-at-your-face-its-still-not-clear-wher
Starting July 7, 2026, every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera aimed at your face. Glance at your phone, your kids in the back seat, or the radio for too long, and the car will flash a warning light and sound an alert.
Automakers have known this was coming for years. What they, and EU regulators, have never spelled out is what happens to that footage after the alert goes off.
While the intention behind the new system is difficult to dispute, its implementation has raised several concerns. Early real-world testing suggests the distraction warnings can be overly sensitive and potentially distracting.
This was on the news today on tv and they showed a camera filming the driver, watching his upper body.
I bought a car from 2023 without all this shit so I’m very happy. Newer electric cars also beep when you go over the speed limit, which would drive me nuts.
My car shortly beeps 3x every time I go over speed limit. So I’m punished when I try to maintain speed limit and going 2kmph over triggers the beep. So I just constantly go 10kmph over now and I get those 3 beeps just for the first time I cross over the speed limit.
The beep is tied to the road sign monitoring setting so I have to turn off both, not just beeping. So then I don’t get signs displayed on my dash board which can be actually useful sometimes.
I think its horrible and should be illegal. It’s a massive annoyance and could cause accidents since your attention is on that and not the traffic.
So tired of all the bullshit people never asked for.
May I suggest adaptive speed control.
Don’t you know how roads work? Different speeds, situations, city traffic? Any of this rings a bell?
I use it a lot. I set it 10kmph above the speed limit as well. It’s not perfect in a lot of city conditions and it can behave unexpectedly as well in these condition. Unless I want to fiddle with a spacing distance all the time and avoid sudden breaking for no reason I have to use it sparingly depending on time of day and location. Outside of cities it tends to work quite well for the most part. Some sharper bends trigger breaks too soon for no reason as well even though I’ve set sensitivity to the lowest.
Also during heavy rain it just tends to ignore everything in front of me and starts accelerating to the max set speed.
If anyone owns a current BMW and the speed limit beeping drives them nuts:
Hold the “set” button on you steering wheel for about 2s, the screen will inform you the Warnung has been temporarily turned off (until your next start)
This is for cars where everything is being put on touchscreens so you have to take your eyes off of the road to control it?
A camera that faces both the driver and front windows by default, but only stores it where the owner wants it stored would be nice. Making it a default would change how cops interact with people.
If body cams being on didn’t change how they interact with you. Nothing will.
The footage will only be used to harm you
And make insurance higher, just like why tye scan IDs when you buy cigs and booze.
Yes harm
The terrifying thing is, body cams probably did change how cops interact with people. They were that bad before. There’s also been a few times when a cop their forgets to turn off their body cam or arrives late and got in some trouble.
If you actually owned the car and the software on the car, then you could set the feed to be stored offsite somewhere. Even if the cops knew it was being recorded, they wouldn’t be able to get it deleted. Even if they deleted the local copy, they wouldn’t be able to know how many backups there are.
We are talking about EU, not USA.
ACAB is ACAB the world around.
Oh I know! But the gilets jaunes were not in a car. I think so far I’ve only heard of US shooting persons in car for no fucking reason.
My utv detects the seatbelt. If you don’t click in the seatbelt, it limits speed to like 10mph and limits the hp. Sometimes I’m tooling in the yard or getting it unstuck and I need full HP but also need to get in and out of the vehicle. Someone made a cute little bypass that took 5 minutes to install. Works like a charm. Now, when I’m driving on a road, I buckle up, but when I’m plowing the snowy driveway I don’t.
How do I learn to be a FOSS developer so I can start working on firmware/software replacements for vehicles?
Couldn’t you just sit on top of the buckled seat belt?
Shutup, nerd.
Edit: Truth is, I thought of that and tried it. I cant remember why, but for some reason it was uncomfortable. Or maybe I wanted the flexibility to buckle easily when I felt it was warranted. Something like that.
Jumping straight to vehicles might be much. But you can definitely start hacking away at small iot devices or routers. They usually have poor/no security and are a great way to get your feet wet.
There are whole youtube channels dedicated to reverse engineering small consumer devices.
Facerec-defeating tattoos are a thing, just throwing that out there
Does literally nothing for this though, they already know who you are.
And politicians in germany are wondering why the car industry is collapsing. Ain’t nobody can afford those european cars if there are a gajillion unnecessary regulations making cars obnoxiously expensive. And slapping massive tarrifs on Chinese cars which are a lot cheaper kills the remaining incentive to buy a new car, especially when nowadays it is necessary to reduce the amount of ICE cars and accelerate adoption of EVs. Dumb fckn politicians.
My bet is all these devices in new cars will be all from one company. It will be up to automakers to put the cameras in the dash but the guts will all be the exact same. They will plug in the computer and all other sensors available. If the car doesn’t have that sensor they can shut it off making these scalable to the “trim level” of the car.
For anyone thinking they can just cover it or something…
Those cameras are for detecting distracted and tired drivers. They run special AI models that track eye movent and other queues. Covering them will obviously be detected by so will be putting a picture in front of it.
When it detects it’s disabled a warning light will light on the dashboard. For now it’s not specifically forbidden to cover it but the warning light may mean issues when passing technical revisions. In case of an accident insurance may also treat it as a proof that you were at fault. For now it’s all just speculation as the rules are new but most likely it will go this way.
A rasberry Pi with a small screen placed in front of the camera at the right distance playing a constant (lengthy) loop of you looking just fine while driving will become a necessity.
I doubt anyone will go that far. You have 3 realistic options:
- drive an older car
- accept that you’re recorded
- stop driving
This isn’t the 90s… we use lidar and other sensors in parallel to IR cameras. The old loop gag only works in Hollywood
Nope, fuck-no, not even close. Never going to fucking happen. I have dashcams inside (pointed out) but I keep the mic muted because I don’t need any of my ramblings recorded publicly… (I also have it set not to record speed… for obvious reasons)
So your dash can recording which is completely offline his us that public?
I can’t decipher this.
Time to buy a Daimler-Benz W123 240D (OM616) with 53 kW (72 hp) and a 4-spd manual. Yep, that’s all I need.
The primary purpose of AI systems is mass surveillance.
Yes.
I’d rather have the option for a factory installed dashcam or at least a mount for me to install one.
Only buying pre 2018 cars from now on, I will have a Toyota collection that will run forever
You know you can just tape it?
They can easily set it up to prevent operation if they don’t see your face.
But they probably can’t prevent you from wearing sun glasses, a beard, a covid mask, and ear muffs.
Yeah IKR.
I have glasses and sometimes wear a facemask, and my driver awareness system does NOT like it at all. You can cancel the alert/notification, but for safety reasons, the car will not operate in hands-free mode unless it can clearly identify that there is a driver in the car watching the road.
I’d never buy a car without first having a test drive.
Can they see my girlfriend giving me a blowjob?
Betcha it will be stream on the most popular porn site.
Yeah, can they see this guy’s girlfriend giving us blowjobs? And who is paying for the gas? I mean, it’s this guy’s car presumably, unless his partner is just VERY accommodating. Either way though, I’m the guest in this scenario and shouldn’t be expected to cover that.
Get the fuck out of my car, now!
You know what, this has gotten pretty hostile and weird, I think Julie and I would both feel better if you left the car.
Yes. They can detect it and may even sell/share that data.
This Mozilla report is from 2023, I assume things have gotten only worse since.
The U.S. as well
Fuck this shit 100%
