google search results are still kind of useful especially for non-english language queries, anyone knows a good alternative?
searxng also doesn’t really seem to work these days…
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isn’t ddg basically google?
ddg gets results from bing, startpage is the one that gets results from google
yeah its hard to keep track who the sugar daddies are with some of these things.
just don’t “google it”.
Ahh, use an LLM instead, got it, thanks!
/s
yet another google “proxy” : https://www.lukol.com/
not a proxy, it directly uses google cse on client side so it’s no better than directly using google
- Yacy
- SearxNG
- Degoog!
Are about the only selfhosted ones I know of. I run SearxNG and have a good deal of success with it. It does bork image searches sometimes and tosses in these lithograph artworks, which are quite interesting to me, but don’t help in the search itself. In as much as it will draw the ire of some, AI makes a pretty good search engine if you are searching for really specific things like:
List all Blues artists that were active in 1942 in Memphis. Give resource links.It just makes that shit up. I’ve wasted so much time with trying to not give me fake answers and verifying the answers it gives me.
Not the same but you can use a terminal browser like lynx, links2, w3m, or browsh and pipe the output wherever you want. Similarly you can force standard browsers to run in an html only mode.
Duckduckgo is surprisingly okay, even with non-english queries by using the region selector (your experience may vary)
Isn’t it just Bing with privacy? Or do they use their own tweeks or something? It’s what I use nowadays since google never finds anything i search for
DDG is an US based company. They will comply to all the patriot act bullshit and pipeline all your searches to the NSA…
If they really cared about privacy they wouldn’t be based in the US.
ddg is my primary right now, it absolutely sucks for korean queries sadly
I just gave up on searxng too.
I didn’t even make it an entire day of searxng, front the literally fist search I tried I was getting blocked haha
No problems with my SearXNG here at all (just have to look into Qwant):
is this on a residential IP? are you running vanilla options or any api tokens?
Residential IP (runs in a Docker container on a Raspberry Pi 5 here), pretty much vanilla (apart from Marginalia).
This might be one of those things where self hosting isn’t worth the pain, like email.
I’ve been using Kagi for several years now and have been very happy with it.
They are literally giving part of your subscription fee to fucking Russia. In comparison, DuckDuckGo have ended their partnership with Yandex. Vlads refusal to follow suit and his steadfast support of Yandex is quite telling to say the least.
Yet another part of your subscription goes to Elon Musks xAI to support Grok in their AI assistant. Even if you are not using that model, all paying users are effectively subsidizing the cost of the Grok API calls. You can’t opt out of that.
You should look into why so many people isn’t angry at Russia and are now blaming US. Your anger is exactly how US manufactures consent for all their wars, and it keeps you from discovering why people doesn’t hate Russia and even blame US/the west for starting it. They simply create a lynchmob - an echo-chamber - where people won’t listen to counter points bco anger. It works.
ALL US moral attacks on their ‘enemies’ (Ussr/Russia, N.Korea, China, Iran and oc ALL nations that wont be dictated how to live by the US elite) are such manufactured BS, and it all runs on the anger they create in people, and from there, they can do what they want in the name of ‘war against evil’. It will continue as long as people keep believing US and their controlled information bubble.
Give it a try, just read all the headlines in this list: What really happened in Ukraine?
If you couldn’t, or you still refuse the idea of foul play after reading - they got to you…
Tankie saying everyone else is sheeple while espousing conspiracy theory YouTube playlist as objective truth.
Thank you for your service. 50 ₽ have been deposited in your bank account. Don’t forget to fill your quota by the end of the day unless you want to volunteer for military service.
Tankie that use youtube conspiracy as objective truth
Also, you can hate both the USA and Russia, look, you can even hate China at the same time!! Crazy shit right?
Not sure why liberal zionists are downvoting you, but thanks for the good read in the link
You didn’t even open the link to realize it’s not an article huh
tankie “leftists” fuck off
Man, I used kagi for 2 months or so and stopped subscribing after that because while there wasn’t really anything that I’d seen that’d make me outright unsubscribe there were many things that I found odd and it didn’t make sense to pay so much for a product that I didn’t agree with all that much. For instance:
I was unable to remove yandex from my search because:
what makes it difficult to act on this is that Kagi does not save searches as a matter of privacy policy, and including more moving parts would make debugging search quality issues nearly impossible
- link here
Despite having so many AI features that barely fit into a search engine, such as a translator (slop frontend) and an entire browser?
It called itself “unprofitable” because search is so expensive while giving an honestly insane quota of AI use as far as I can understand (ex. if user pays 10$ for the kagi subscription: 10$ - 20% worth of tokens = 8$ total quota), giving 100 free searches with, as far as I could see, very little protection against burner emails (the translator seems to not need an account at all and it’s an llm frontend, so it shouldn’t be cheap), and it had many different views in many different places from me.
But all that made me do was hmmm and shrug it off. I mean, we’re different humans from different backgrounds, of course we’d hold different views.
But holy shit. Hoooooooly shit. That conversation about the GDPR in the article. What the fuck. What in the actual fuck did I just read there. The fact that the CEO emailed him an explanation despite him explicitly asking to not be emailed too. Bruh.
Searxng has been pretty sweet, been hosting my own for about a year and some change with pretty good results.
I do get blocked by engines occasionally which can have a drastic impact on results.
I like SearXNG,brave search and mojeek. I understand the controversies with Brave but it’s the only good one I can find.
I replaced SearxNG with degoog on my server. Feels very much like Google, yet it is not. I did enable Google for search results and image, but it refuses to work (good). Am using DuckDuckGo and Startpage instead, through degoog, of course.
kinda works, but their results are a bit crippled compared to google (also, no way to search specific timeframe)
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Ah, you mean a custom timeframe. Like where you pick your own dates.
yeah, i search with ‘before 2023’ to filter AI slop often
Kagi.
Searxng too much effort.
KagI is pretty good in various languages.
Kagi is still $10+tax a month. That’s $120 a year (plus tax).
SearXNG is $0 and a few minutes of my time whenever I tweak the configuration.
If you’re there with Searx then it’s pretty similar to how Kagi works. Kagi sends requests to various search providers and has some of its own index then shows results based on the various sources.
I found Searx/Searxng slow, 5-6 seconds per query (to get a response from each source), though it seems others have it working faster. Might have been some IP or rate limiting issue.
Kagi has easy ways to raise/lower rankings and users can report AI slop pages to have them removed, but all in all Searx gives pretty good results.
You can tune SearXNG results in a similar way. There’s just no easy UI for it.
And yes, it’s often slower than commercially available search engines - but it’s completely free, without trackers, and it’s combining results from various different engines. I can live with that.
Yip. It might not have been clear but my point was that if you have a SearXNG instance set up and running well, then Kagi may well not be worth the cost since you’ve already got most of its strengths.
I’ve been using startpage.com since I’ve went back to Ubuntu. Came as the stock search engine with Vivaldi and I like how it looks and feels so I use it. I switch off between Google and startpage.
I’d been a Vivaldi user for a while too but the latest version killed Ublock Origin, so sad to say the browser is now dead to me.
I never even knew about Ublock until now. That’s fucked they wouldn’t add support for Vivaldi. It’s so versatile!!!
It’s more complicated than that. I’ll spare you, but I recommend the forks of Firefox like Librewolf, Floorp, etc.
Librewolf
Well shit. If they got a browser I gotta use it.
All of this when you get the super excellent Kagi for 10 dollars, from an actual search company that values privacy.
Its exactly what everyone wants but no, can’t pay 10 dollars I guess. :)
from an actual search company that values privacy.
California company obliged by FVEY? While I appreciate their efforts, American based companies kind of have a history of abandoning their privacy-respecting ways once subpoenaed.
To be honest, this is one of those times where I would say that it’s not that bad. Can’t expect a company to outright violate the laws of the country they’re registered in, you need to be friends with Trump to do that. If they keep their shit away from all the corpo vultures and only comply with direct subpoenas, it’s probably the best we can hope for.
yes but that’s kind of the point. I don’t want to deal with a company which is beholden to the law of gangsters. I might not hold it against them but also it is a huge competitive disadvantage for a privacy based product.
USA gag orders are real. Cannot trust US companies selling privacy at all.
I’m not paying 10 bucks for a search engine. lolol
I’ve seen so many people say that kagi is overhyped
Elsewhere in thread it talks about kagi giving money to Russia and Musk which is not something I’d support
They should use Fable to find hacks that work
