google search results are still kind of useful especially for non-english language queries, anyone knows a good alternative?
searxng also doesn’t really seem to work these days…
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- Yacy
- SearxNG
- Degoog!
Are about the only selfhosted ones I know of. I run SearxNG and have a good deal of success with it. It does bork image searches sometimes and tosses in these lithograph artworks, which are quite interesting to me, but don’t help in the search itself. In as much as it will draw the ire of some, AI makes a pretty good search engine if you are searching for really specific things like:
List all Blues artists that were active in 1942 in Memphis. Give resource links.It just makes that shit up. I’ve wasted so much time with trying to not give me fake answers and verifying the answers it gives me.
“internet indexer” should really be a government / EU / UN sponsored public utility thing. And then you have front ends that can improve the search query and filter and sort the results.
I don’t know how much it would cost / how large a data center it would take to cache the web pages like google does. But there is just no reason to have so much wealth / advertising drain from the public for such a fundamental thing.
Agreed. The internet is a utility at this point. Its required for many things included services the government runs already.
There’s probably going to be a large data center or 10 for sale in a few years 🤞🏻
“Just pickup an old data centre on the cheap and slap Linux on it”
The next step in selfhosting.
And all of them will be borderline useless for actual compute
How so? Is the hardware that special? One computer is much like the next you just have to be creative in repurposing them. Linux runs on millions of devices that a great deal of the population would consider highly obsolete. Just an example, I’m not saying that that’s the actual answer to this question. It might be, I’m just kind of completely ignorant as to what kind of hardware these companies are installing… It sounds like a lot of memory and a lot of GPU power.
Sociologically, economically and environmentally, these data centers aren’t going to be feasible. Our planet can not sustain them. You can build a nuclear energy site in every state, you will have fails and net losses, you will have nuclear, biological and chemical contamination along the way amd you will destroy lives trying to make a form of automation better.
That is what the observation I’ve had is. Is unless we put these things near propane sources or have them generating their own c02 as a coolant or having them do anything else but use water based energy even nuclear rods being soaked for steam based energy isn’t going to save the data centers it will only make things worse.
Also nuclear power plants are just massive targets for enemies. Right now it’s airforce bases and potential silos, you add nuclear power plants into the mix and have those in major civilian areas that’s now something an enemy can leverage. Bet you all never thought of that one.
I think we will see the effort aof Ai die out and it will be the world coming back to its senses and it’ll be one for the history books.
The future will be like, we gave up artificial intelligence because our planet would get fucked badly.
It’s not meant for this planet and trying to make it work out is a fatal, futile, worthless endeavor.
Well they will probably be massively over capacity. But then you could run the for half a day during sunlight hours and just use solar. Solar PM and wind kite power basically gives us near infinite super cheap energy at certain times, so you could still make use of those compute centers. Turn them off during the night, modernize the cooling and noise dampening, add some solar and you can use the compute to run models to create new medicines like anti-cancer meds or protein folding. Unlikely that’s going to happen but that is what a sane civilization would do with all that compute.
to run models to create new medicines like anti-cancer meds
Treatments in Oncology AI is used in what is called CyberKnife® treatment in oncology. Moreover, a group of ML algorithms have been recently successfully trained to rank clinically relevant cancer drugs based on the drugs’ predicted efficacy in reducing cancer cell growth. One of the successful applications of AI in Oncology is the implication of AI with robotics for radiotherapy.63 Moreover, AI in Oncology provides a promising application in the area of cancer imaging.7 However, AI algorithms seem to be promising in solving problems and overcoming obstacles that face discovering and designing new anticancer drugs.8
source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12232943/
They are. They’re using it an almost every field of medicine and science. Theoretical Physicists are loving AI.
modernize the cooling
You’re not going to be able to remove the amount of heat they use with wind or evaporative methods, you need refrigerants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_refrigeration is where it’s at.
You can build a modified kegerator and make it into a chiller https://future4200.com/t/chiller-hack-diy/220. Chillers are easy to make and if you look around they’re wildly abundant.
The thing is, is the amount of refrigerant it would take and what it would take to keep it going effectively would mean down time and because they’re greedy fucking assholes they don’t want down time because that means money lost. So building them near natural gas and propane sources might be the only way to make it worth it.
The ultimate issue is the footprint they would need to build the facility needed to run it and recapture and reuse the propane.
Site maps on all websites should come back. Being able to navigate every service the site offers rather than downloading the app and using fuck all directions from a shitty side bar that lags and then you’re redirected to an Ai assistant that tells you inconvenient hours of when you can actually talk to a real human. All because the navigation is fucked up and everything is relying on automation and laziness.
Nice! 😊
just don’t “google it”.
Ahh, use an LLM instead, got it, thanks!
/s
yet another google “proxy” : https://www.lukol.com/
not a proxy, it directly uses google cse on client side so it’s no better than directly using google
isn’t ddg basically google?
ddg gets results from bing, startpage is the one that gets results from google
yeah its hard to keep track who the sugar daddies are with some of these things.
Duckduckgo is surprisingly okay, even with non-english queries by using the region selector (your experience may vary)
ddg is my primary right now, it absolutely sucks for korean queries sadly
Isn’t it just Bing with privacy? Or do they use their own tweeks or something? It’s what I use nowadays since google never finds anything i search for
DDG is an US based company. They will comply to all the patriot act bullshit and pipeline all your searches to the NSA…
If they really cared about privacy they wouldn’t be based in the US.
I just gave up on searxng too.
I didn’t even make it an entire day of searxng, front the literally fist search I tried I was getting blocked haha
No problems with my SearXNG here at all (just have to look into Qwant):
is this on a residential IP? are you running vanilla options or any api tokens?
Residential IP (runs in a Docker container on a Raspberry Pi 5 here), pretty much vanilla (apart from Marginalia).
This might be one of those things where self hosting isn’t worth the pain, like email.
I’ve been using Kagi for several years now and have been very happy with it.
They are literally giving part of your subscription fee to fucking Russia. In comparison, DuckDuckGo have ended their partnership with Yandex. Vlads refusal to follow suit and his steadfast support of Yandex is quite telling to say the least.
Yet another part of your subscription goes to Elon Musks xAI to support Grok in their AI assistant. Even if you are not using that model, all paying users are effectively subsidizing the cost of the Grok API calls. You can’t opt out of that.
You should look into why so many people isn’t angry at Russia and are now blaming US. Your anger is exactly how US manufactures consent for all their wars, and it keeps you from discovering why people doesn’t hate Russia and even blame US/the west for starting it. They simply create a lynchmob - an echo-chamber - where people won’t listen to counter points bco anger. It works.
ALL US moral attacks on their ‘enemies’ (Ussr/Russia, N.Korea, China, Iran and oc ALL nations that wont be dictated how to live by the US elite) are such manufactured BS, and it all runs on the anger they create in people, and from there, they can do what they want in the name of ‘war against evil’. It will continue as long as people keep believing US and their controlled information bubble.
Give it a try, just read all the headlines in this list: What really happened in Ukraine?
If you couldn’t, or you still refuse the idea of foul play after reading - they got to you…
Not sure why liberal zionists are downvoting you, but thanks for the good read in the link
You didn’t even open the link to realize it’s not an article huh
Thank you for your service. 50 ₽ have been deposited in your bank account. Don’t forget to fill your quota by the end of the day unless you want to volunteer for military service.
Tankie saying everyone else is sheeple while espousing conspiracy theory YouTube playlist as objective truth.
tankie “leftists” fuck off
Tankie that use youtube conspiracy as objective truth
Also, you can hate both the USA and Russia, look, you can even hate China at the same time!! Crazy shit right?
Man, I used kagi for 2 months or so and stopped subscribing after that because while there wasn’t really anything that I’d seen that’d make me outright unsubscribe there were many things that I found odd and it didn’t make sense to pay so much for a product that I didn’t agree with all that much. For instance:
I was unable to remove yandex from my search because:
what makes it difficult to act on this is that Kagi does not save searches as a matter of privacy policy, and including more moving parts would make debugging search quality issues nearly impossible
- link here
Despite having so many AI features that barely fit into a search engine, such as a translator (slop frontend) and an entire browser?
It called itself “unprofitable” because search is so expensive while giving an honestly insane quota of AI use as far as I can understand (ex. if user pays 10$ for the kagi subscription: 10$ - 20% worth of tokens = 8$ total quota), giving 100 free searches with, as far as I could see, very little protection against burner emails (the translator seems to not need an account at all and it’s an llm frontend, so it shouldn’t be cheap), and it had many different views in many different places from me.
But all that made me do was hmmm and shrug it off. I mean, we’re different humans from different backgrounds, of course we’d hold different views.
But holy shit. Hoooooooly shit. That conversation about the GDPR in the article. What the fuck. What in the actual fuck did I just read there. The fact that the CEO emailed him an explanation despite him explicitly asking to not be emailed too. Bruh.
Searxng has been pretty sweet, been hosting my own for about a year and some change with pretty good results.
I do get blocked by engines occasionally which can have a drastic impact on results.
I like SearXNG,brave search and mojeek. I understand the controversies with Brave but it’s the only good one I can find.
All of this when you get the super excellent Kagi for 10 dollars, from an actual search company that values privacy.
Its exactly what everyone wants but no, can’t pay 10 dollars I guess. :)
I’m not paying 10 bucks for a search engine. lolol
from an actual search company that values privacy.
California company obliged by FVEY? While I appreciate their efforts, American based companies kind of have a history of abandoning their privacy-respecting ways once subpoenaed.
USA gag orders are real. Cannot trust US companies selling privacy at all.
To be honest, this is one of those times where I would say that it’s not that bad. Can’t expect a company to outright violate the laws of the country they’re registered in, you need to be friends with Trump to do that. If they keep their shit away from all the corpo vultures and only comply with direct subpoenas, it’s probably the best we can hope for.
yes but that’s kind of the point. I don’t want to deal with a company which is beholden to the law of gangsters. I might not hold it against them but also it is a huge competitive disadvantage for a privacy based product.
Elsewhere in thread it talks about kagi giving money to Russia and Musk which is not something I’d support
I’ve seen so many people say that kagi is overhyped
kinda works, but their results are a bit crippled compared to google (also, no way to search specific timeframe)
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Ah, you mean a custom timeframe. Like where you pick your own dates.
yeah, i search with ‘before 2023’ to filter AI slop often
Kagi.
Searxng too much effort.
KagI is pretty good in various languages.
Kagi is still $10+tax a month. That’s $120 a year (plus tax).
SearXNG is $0 and a few minutes of my time whenever I tweak the configuration.
If you’re there with Searx then it’s pretty similar to how Kagi works. Kagi sends requests to various search providers and has some of its own index then shows results based on the various sources.
I found Searx/Searxng slow, 5-6 seconds per query (to get a response from each source), though it seems others have it working faster. Might have been some IP or rate limiting issue.
Kagi has easy ways to raise/lower rankings and users can report AI slop pages to have them removed, but all in all Searx gives pretty good results.
You can tune SearXNG results in a similar way. There’s just no easy UI for it.
And yes, it’s often slower than commercially available search engines - but it’s completely free, without trackers, and it’s combining results from various different engines. I can live with that.
Yip. It might not have been clear but my point was that if you have a SearXNG instance set up and running well, then Kagi may well not be worth the cost since you’ve already got most of its strengths.
I replaced SearxNG with degoog on my server. Feels very much like Google, yet it is not. I did enable Google for search results and image, but it refuses to work (good). Am using DuckDuckGo and Startpage instead, through degoog, of course.
They should use Fable to find hacks that work
