Germany’s Bundesrat, the upper house of parliament, backed a bill to criminalize the denial of Israel’s right to exist on Friday, a motion that constitutional experts said could jeopardize freedom of expression.
According to the bill, anyone denying Israel’s right to exist or calling for its abolition would be punished with a prison sentence of up to five years under the regulation. The bill will be examined by the Bundestag, the lower house of parliament, after its summer recess.
“Committing genocide is in our blood and we will do anything to protect it, even if the ones we committed genocide on are now the ones committing genocide. It’s our way of life. We taught them well.”
- Germany
Good.
Now lets see one that also criminalises denial of the right for Palestine to exist.
Then Palestine has a right to exist too.
Lmao there is a huge difference between “existing” and “actively deliberately genociding a people and culture they believe are inferior”
Israel has no right to exist. Germany also has no right to exist. No state has an inherent right to exist.
Any right is ultimately a product of consensus. Challenging a right is an expression of dissent, which is itself a human right.
It makes sense for a tolerant society seeking to protect itself to enshrine the rights of humans to exist, so as to avoid the paradox of tolerance. This is the compromise of free speech that must be made to defend it: to treat this consensus as a contract, whereby anyone who rejects it also loses the rights it confers. Likewise, anyone who denies other humans the right to exist must forfeit their own.
What’s more, states are not people, but organisations. Their right to exist is the product of a consensus that this organisation has a sovereign monopoly on the use of force within its territory. But that right is strictly subordinate to the human right to exist and express opinions. It must be open to dissent.
And a state that denies people their right to live (Israel) or to express their dissent (Germany) is in breach of that contract.
Fuck our government. Fuck Merz, fuck the representatives and fuck the voters that enabled this travesty against human rights in general and our constitution in particular.
Directed at the German parliament
That’s some Zionist bullshit. I guarantee that and criticism of Israel would end up being lumped in.
Already is in Germany. It’s even illegal to protest in Germany in a different language, and that rule was specifically made to target the anti-genocide protests using Palestinian freedom slogans that have been around for decades
And what about Palestine’s right to exist? Lebanon? Syria?
I don’t know what “Israel’s right to exist” means. Like, I believe that Israel should exist as a secular, democratic country with fully equal rights for all people regardless of their ethnicity or religion, with the right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return, with reparations for the victims of genocide and apartheid, with full accountability for the perpetrators of crimes against humanity, and with a national project overseen by the international community that will effect the deep institutional and educational deradicalization of the population, including a complete political and institutional repudiation of all kind of jewish-supremacist forms of zionism, as well as a German-style Erinnerungskultur, and by having as its Staatsräson a commitment to the defence and security of Palestine. Is it jail for me in the Bundesrepublik or not?
Yes, jail for you. German law is about Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state (and everything that comes with that which they don’t speak about and ignore).
Some countries hove more rights that some people.
Anarchism made a thought crime in Germany.
Can we first know what “right to exist” means for the context of a nation state? Surely, Nazi Germany didn’t have a “right to exist”. So, surely it’s not a universal right like a person’s right to exist? This means there are things a state can do that revoke it’s “right to exist”? So, what does it actually mean?
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All states (even Nazi Germany) have a “right to exist” and it cannot be revoked.
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No states have a “right to exist”.
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All states have a right to exist until some defined violation that revokes that right.
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It’s a meaningless phrase that is only used in the context of defending a genocidal apartheid state.
I’m leaning towards thinking they are using the last definition.
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And may the Israeli themselves receive the same right to exist as they give the Palestinians.
This whole shit about “Right to exist” is extremely absurd.
Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.
Fuck these genocidal colonialists, trying to smooth ambiguous sentences with acceptance for their genocide.
exactly. does Genovia have a right to exist? that’s the fictional European kingdom from The Princess Diaries. it’s doesn’t exist. but does it have a right to?
People OK, government bad.
Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.
Apartheid Israel needs to undergo some very painful changes, starting with ending their genocide against Palestinians.
Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.
Pissrael is colonial apartheid white supremacist project. It needs to be completely dismantled and destroyed.
Many many people should be tortured and executed, all the rest can be imprisoned and forced to reconstruct every building destroyed. The sentence ends when Palestine is fully rebuilt.
Palestine should be the only state and we should mind our own business on how they should govern their land.
Okay but where do you put the jews afterwards? Shall we build camps in Europe again?
Ahhh and there it is the zionist conflating religion and nationality. Good job you are a cunt.
I’m saying those people need a place to live too.
I’m not really much of a zionist, I actually believe both the Palestinians and the Jews can have their own countries and Israel shouldn’t be expanding obviously.
I live in a country that was literally declared judenfrei in the brief amount of time the nazis occupied us. I can see why they need their own nation state to feel safe. It just shouldn’t be what it is right now.
Palestine used to have all kinds of different faith co-living together, including jews! Again you are conflating religion and nationality, the land of your birth with the name of your preferred “sky daddy”.
Should we give christians their christland? Buddhist their Buddaland?
No, Jews DO NOT NEED THIER OWN THEOCRATIC NATION. Nobody NEEDS a nation. You are born into one.
We need to respect other people’s religion and stop being fucking religious supremacists.
So again, jews (like all religious people) can live wherever the fuck they like, including Palestine, respecting others people’s faiths.
People involved economically, ideologically and practically in the creation and continuation of the apartheid fascist project called israel, need to pay back with sweat and blood.
Before WWII, there were under 100k of them in Palestine, they were a small minority. That number is now millions in the same territory. Why do you think they shouldn’t have their own government and their own country?
Also Jewish doesn’t only mean someone of a particular religion, it’s also an ethnicity. Do you think nazis cared if you were practicing? Just having the big nose would’ve been enough.
I’m not saying Palestine shouldn’t exist, but I do think that the people who consider themselves Jews should have their own country too. Why shouldn’t it be in the land they were kicked out of originally? There’s plenty of space there.
The thing I do have a problem with is what’s going on in west bank and Gaza (and Lebanon). They have their Lebensraum, they don’t need more of it.
there were under 100k of them in Palestine, they were a small minority. That number is now millions in the same territory.
So what?
Why do you think they shouldn’t have their own government and their own country?
This is non-sense, if a different ethnicity is above a certain number in a country we should split it? Is this your point? Are you normal?
Jewish doesn’t only mean someone of a particular religion, it’s also an ethnicity
No it’s not, it’s a religion. Not a race, not an ethnicity. Stop repeating propaganda from fascists. Benjamin Milekowski (Netanyahu) is a Polish cunt fuck inbred who has nothing to do with the Middle East or Palestine.
I do think that the people who consider themselves Jews should have their own country too
Why the fuck should they? If I consider myself Zoroastrian I should also have my country? Again jews were living peacefully with “arabs” just 150 years ago.
You can not claim a territory because your people used to live there 2000 years ago. It does not work like that. If it was, the romans should colonize half of Europe and you should be okay with it.
You are helping and justifying the killing of thousands of civilians today because of events happened thousands of years ago. Can you imagine if everyone would do that?
You are repeating manufactured propaganda you don’t understand, for god knows what reason, helping a white suprematist theocratic colonial project killing thousands of civilians. Congrats.
Either don’t partecipate in the discussion or study better, ignorant israeli cuck.
Israel is a settler colonial project, it fundamentally cannot exist as a pluralistic society.
Palestine used to be a pluralistic society.
Settler colonial projects absolutely can become pluralistic societies.
<gestures wildly at South Africa>
