edit: muting this thread, goodbye.
It’s about time they showed up, during trans day of visibility no less 😌
nature is healing
There is a spectre is haunting Lemmy — the spectre of hexbear . All the powers of new lemmy have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre
- glad federation is working again!
Move to an instance that defederates then, and move on? I’m not the biggest fan by any mean, but this kind of posts is just calling for some instance slapstick fights in the comments
For a list:
- https://lemmy.ca/ for a North American instance
- https://sopuli.xyz/ for a European one
I get what you’re saying, but this is mostly a joke.
There is some cool people there.
We always come in peace! …at firstIf it’s a joke, that’s all good. It’s just that some other people don’t make jokes, they try to hide instance beefing messages in some memes, and that usually just brings negativity in the comments.
There are a few users that come to mind with that, haha. Seems drama baiting is all they do, whether it be by making anti-Marxist memes to draw on drama, or by constantly reposting everything that gets posted on Lemmy.ml on other comms.
Seriously, 90% of it would probably die down if those accounts stopped. Especially ironic is that seemingly the most anti-Hexbear people are the least capable of describing their overall political views, which IMO explains the counter-productive behavior.
Agreed. You’re free to not like the way an instance or community is run, just contribute to others.
You’re right, I dislike people who deliberately put instance beefing memes onto ml and grad just to annoy them, its like poking a hornets nest.
When Hexbear sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending other cool people. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing flamewars. They’re bringing spam. They’re brigaders. And some, I assume, are good people.
There is instances which block them.
It’s a reference to one of the taglines that appears when using hexbear.net. Visit the link, then look at the top (may not work on mobile apps). Refresh, and you’ll get a different blurb.
Ohh, I had seen those before.
Yep! My favorite is the one that has a hypothetical future Soviet America, written as a POV, and someone gets home from work and a random Hexbear user calls them a revisionist, lmao
If I join lemmy.ca and my country invades them will they kick my red blooded american ass out
We’re against genocide so we’ll spare you when the time happens.
Accurate as I am Carcosa after all and you are glimpsing the truth that a better world is possible.
as I am Carcosa after all
“Capitalism is not the end!”
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Me; new here thinking “hexbear” is the furry server… Oh…
Well I was half right
well we do have a fairly large furry comm
Don’t have a problem with what instance you’re on as long as you’re respectful I’ll be respectful back
I totally agree. But that instance is slightly notorious for brigading threads.
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hi it’s me here to brigade a post that appeared in my feed
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mods halp they’re doing a brigaderinoI’d help, but i’ve forgotten my password to my original account… I think i made one when it was chapo.chat, so it’s gone right?
If you could dig it up, it would still work
should still exist
We just have a lot of active users. Brigading doesn’t happen when the feeds show up organically.
I get what you mean, and I see the brigading emoji (all/active), but I do feel like hex and grad are both very argumentative, and I don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities or threads either which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
hex and grad are both very argumentative
i mean we are communists…honestly if you think we’re bad towards y’all you should see some of our more heated discussions amongst ourselves; the only people leftists are more vicious towards than fascists and their enablers are leftists who very slightly disagree with them lol.
don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities
possibly that’s because we have comms for a lot of those things (sports, games, movies, anime, etc) and tend to use those instead but that’s just a guess. i won’t speak for anyone else but i find a lot of the memes and stuff on lemmy are a little reddit-flavored for me so i don’t usually engage (since i don’t want to just go in and shit on people having a harmless good time or w/e)
Not to overwhelm you with comments, but most Hexbear and Grad users tend to stay on Hex and Grad for non-political content, funny enough. Check out Hex’s general megathreads, or the gaming comm, etc.
As someone who made a Hexbear alt (not the other way around), it’s a far more pleasant space to relax, IMO. Plus, Communists tend to all be political nerds to begin with.
It’s infinitely better for political stuff too.
Interesting post subjects and comments. (more on grad)
lemm.ee or .world is 95% "look what stupid irrelevant thing Musk or Trump said now! "
Not much different from any MSM. Annoying and boring mostly.Yep, agreed!
That makes sense, but it does give the impression that they only brigade.
Though, I can’t think of a single time I have seen a hexbear user outside of hexbear on a non-political thread.I see them usually on non-political Lemmy.ml threads, if you avoid them then that explains it. Hexbear keeps a small federation list to protect its marginalized users from harrassment, and also to carve out a uniquely Leftist space.
I thought hex originally federated with everyone, but when they started refederating they chose an allow-list. Am i wrong? I know that lemmy.world blocked them, which is where a lot of non-political content is.
You can just admit you don’t know how federation works
Hey man, I think you’re taking this slightly too seriously.
I undestand federation, I have been on the fediverse for two-three years, and have built stuff using activitypub.
If you think they’re “brigading” you clearly don’t understand how federation works
How come they don’t “brigade” normal threads? only political ones.
90% of threads are pretty boring. Most of the memes posted on Lemmy are the kinds of things I would expect from /r/memes. On the political threads people often make claims that are simply false (i.e. claiming that Marxists or ‘tankies’ love the Russian Federation) so naturally Hexbear will show up to contradict that stuff. You’d be hard pressed to find us organizing “brigades,” we literally just have a unified ideological line that we’re experienced in defending so when we see something that’s easily disproven we disprove it.
Hexbear is a higly politicised instance, it makes sense that people from there are mainly interested in politics and would mostly interact with those posts.
They don’t “brigade” anything, they’re federated
Alright, I’ll rephrase.
How come they rarely ever comment outside of political threads?
While fine in concept, there are certain things that shouldn’t be respected, and that’s where the
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I can’t believe you guys invented the gay.
I just blocked the whole instance as soon as the option was implemented. There were few good posts/comunities from it, but overall better to block it whole.
Somehow I can’t block it using Voyager, the only instance appearing is
test.hexbear.net. Any idea why?SJW blocks them already.
Really? Last time they federated with us they’re the ones who ended up defederating and I thought that was the end of it
They’re mutally defederating.
I can access hexbear communities, at https://sh.itjust.works/instances only
test.hexbear.netis listed which leads to 502 anyway. Am I doing something wrong?Probably an issue on sh.itjust.works’s end, though Hex blocks it so they won’t see anything on your end even if you do get in.
If you want to see what it’s about, just visit hexbear.net directly.
It makes sense, all the posts I find from hexbear are a couple of months old. It is a bit annoying, because when I hit explore in Voyager and sort by size, thalf of the communities are from hexbear… Maybe @TheDude@sh.itjust.works has an idea why it behaves like this?
Hexbear used to be federated with sh.itjust.works. if you defederate, the old posts still continue to exist, hence the communities also still continuing to show.
I tried removing a bunch of the old hexbear communities. Did that help at all?
Also sorting communities by total subscribers is a bad system. It’s more useful to sort by monthly active users imo.
You can use lemmyverse to sort by active users.
Check the blocked tab. Also, when servers defed, old posts and comms stay behind.
SJW? Social Justice Warrior? Is that an instance?
sh.itjust.works shit just works
That should be SIW…
@sh.itjust.works
I’m actually getting pissed, I have hexbear.net and test.hexbear.net both instance blocked in Voyager but can still see these cretins comments. I could tag them all but that would take forever.
Edit: Fuck it, just blocking them when I see them.
Instance blocking blocks the comms, not the users. You will have to block every user you see if you’re reflexively anti-Hexbear, or move to an instance defederated from them entirely.
That’s so fucking lame. I didn’t know how good I had it this whole time. But I am absolutely petty enough to block every user from there.
I believe you.
I’d recommend you go to an instance that blocks hex, like lemmy.ca or sopuli.xyz.
I’m not giving up my account because of Nazis. I’ll block every one of them if I have to.
You guys have so many sickos emojis. Every day I see a new one.
my personal favreally wish this submission was added, but never got included so far
A damn shame, it’s great!
Honestly was a major factor when I decided to finally make a Hexbear account.
they’ve started to post, sir
finally
LPT - you don’t have to give any fucks about who or what “hexbear.net” is, instead you can have a life.
If I don’t want to have a life, can someone explain this to me? What is hexbear, and what happened?
It’s a Left-unity instance for Marxists and Anarchists. That’s really it, some people get really mad at that.
It’s a Left-unity instance for Marxists and Anarchists (who like to simp for authoritarian AES states).
Fixed it for ya.
The overwhelming majority of Marxists worldwide support AES, and a good number of Anarchists support AES against Capitalisy states. It’s not about “simping.”
Imo, support for AES authoritarian states is one of the main sources of friction between Marxists and Anarchists. It’s ideologically dishonest to suggest otherwise. Especially since most AES states are now capitalist in most respects. If you guys would drop the AES support then left unity might stand a chance.
If you guys would drop the AES support then left unity might stand a chance.
Ah, I see. So in order to achieve “left unity” all we have to do is:
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Abandon support for every socialist project that was even moderately successful
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Refuse to learn from their successes and failures because we have to write them off entirely as if they weren’t genuine movements
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Allow blatant propaganda and falsehoods to be spread about them unchallenged, for fear of being associated with them.
Of course, if we did that, especially the last one, we’d be associated with them anyway - they called Obama a communist, they’ll apply the label to anyone. If every attempt at building socialism was an unmitigated failure that just made everything worse and resulted in things just as bad as the Nazis, then why the hell should anyone want to be a socialist? Why should we even be socialists?
And don’t try to pretend that it’s only uncritical support you’re talking about. If you have a good word to say about any of them, if you challenge accusations and call them out when they lack evidence, then you’ll be labelled a “tankie.” Y’all are obsessed with punching left and demonstrating your anticommunist credentials, and have been for the last 80 years, “If we just toss all the Reds out of the AFL/CIO, then people will see we’re not like them and they’ll be on our side, that we’re ‘one of the good ones,’” and then guess what, they call you Reds anyway, and when they come for you you’ll have alienated people who would’ve actually fought back. This is how we got to the point where even “liberal” became a dirty word, of being “too far left.”
Yeah, thanks but no thanks on that one. I’m going to continue critically supporting AES states and examining their success and failures and refuting misinformation about them - focusing on what’s actually true, rather than on trying to “prove” that I’m sufficiently anticommunist to pass some red scare purity test.
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I only have a surface level understanding of all this stuff, but don’t marxism and anarchism both aim for a stateless, classless society?
Marxists and Anarchists have a different view of what the state is, and what class is. Marxists see the state as an implementation of class oppression, Anarchists see it as a tool of hierarchy.
As a consequence, Marxists see Communism as a fully publicly owned and planned, democratic government, while Anarchists want decentralized networks of Communes. For Marxists, the Anarchist solution retains class distinctions as each commune only has internal ownership and thus class is retained, while for Anarchists the Marxist solution retains the state as it retains hierarchy.
This struggle over analysis drives the major distinctions between each major school of Leftist thought.
They do, but people like unruffled see marxists as traitors
Marxists are aligned on support for AES, though, outside of fringe tendencies like Trotskyists and Gonzaloists. In my experience, it’s more of a hot topic among Anarchists, having spoken to firmly anti-AES Anarchists and critically supportive Anarchists.
Further, when you call AES states “Capitalist in most respects,” that just isn’t accurate from a Marxist stance on what Capitalism and Socialism are. AES states are where large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly controlled, while the private sector is dominated by small firms, sole proprietorships, and cooperatives of non-essential industries. This is because Marx viewed the only real way to achieve full public ownership is developing into it, rather than simply decreeing it.
The divide more tends to be among the stance on what the real obstacles in the way of progressing beyond Capitalism is, and those in support of AES tend to agree that that obstacle is currently the US Empire.
Google can probably help you if you really think it’s worth looking up.
It would be better if they were completely defederated.
The tankies need to find another space to fester.
Yeah, people i disagree with really need to get out!
Some ideologies deserve to be ended
“Well alright, the ni**ers and the chinks can stay, but we don’t want the Irish!” - Blazing Saddles
What does this mean? Genuinely asking.
They’re falsely equating ideology to ethnicity.
It’s a quote from the movie Blazing Saddles mocking bigotry, in this case to say “Suppression is bad unless WE do it” is s hypocritical and wrong approach - and in fact it’s the exact mentality of people who currently want to suppress gay, trans, etc. which to them are as “obviously evil” as nazis.
