• CAVOK@lemmy.worldOP
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      12 days ago

      It might not be, or it might, but I somehow don’t believe that the far-right who proposed this had the well-being of women and girls in mind.

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        12 days ago

        Ok ? Does this matter? It still seems like a good idea. How are you supposed to identify someone if they commit a crime? If it was a mask it would be illegal

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          11 days ago

          The wellbeing of women and girls matters, yes.

          In fact, their wellbeing (along with everyone else’s) is exactly why you would be trying to stop crime in the first place.

          How are you supposed to identify someone if they commit a crime?

          They’re wearing a fucking burka FFS, it’s a pretty good way to identify a person. It’s about as easy as it gets. Also, have you ever tried to run from the cops in one of those things? It’s a fool who chooses that as their getaway clothing.

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            11 days ago

            If everyone wears a burqa, how are you meant to tell one person apart from another

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              11 days ago

              Everyone doesn’t wear a burqa though. The vast majority of people don’t. So, if a crime is committed by someone wearing one, it will be much easier for the police to find them than it would be by recognising the details of their faces.

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      12 days ago

      Because it isn’t a ban on burqas (which alone would also be problematic on grounds of religious freedom), but a general ban on all face covering in public. And this should be obviously a problem both for health reasons (respiratory masks) and video surveillance with face recognition.

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    12 days ago

    So, under ‘international law’, is it now legal to invade Portugal and stop them oppressing their women? Or does that only apply if they have proven oil reserves?

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    12 days ago

    A law banning one religion’s symbology is always going to be a bad time for everyone. As seen with other burqa bans, this will just cause division, which is exactly what the originators of the bill are looking for. Shame that level heads didn’t prevail. Again.

    It’s weird for me to be defending the right to wear a burqa. I think extreme religious practices like this are silly and need to be modernised, and I particularly think that teaching women and girls to “cover their beauty” is disgraceful. But this is not the way to fix it. This just makes it worse, aggravating divisions and entrenching views. Fuck your burqa ban.

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      10 days ago

      I am in favour of banning the burqa, but I think it’s particularly funny that the guys who are supposedly all about individual freedom (iniciativa liberal, despite the name they are much closer to libertarians) at least in their propaganda voted in favour of banning face-covering in public (which is what the law actually refers to, because in Portugal, for the time being, it is unconstitutional to ban a specific religious item).

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        10 days ago

        I think the face-covering law is specifically targeting the religious item, especially considering the exceptions to the rule.
        If a country banned any pointed objects from being worn around the neck, in case it could be used as a weapon, say, we would all know that was a ban on the crucifix. I believe it’s just a smokescreen, like the surveillance laws being masqueraded as child-protection.

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          The face-covering law includes items that aren’t the burqa, such as bandannas and mascot/fursuit heads. However, it wouldn’t surprise me if you’re correct in assuming it’s targeting a religious item, especially since the law doesn’t usually get enforced unless it’s a woman wearing a burqa.

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            5 days ago

            It’s a fact that the law was originally introduced by the far right, and specifically banned the burqa. Then it was expanded to include other face coverings, with exceptions.

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              That doesn’t surprise me in the least bit. I will have to look further into this. Regardless, it’s a stupid law.

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          9 days ago

          I would be in favour of banning the use of the crucifix in public too. Not because I think it’s a dangerous object, but because I believe religion should remain at home or in a place specifically designated for that purpose.

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      12 days ago

      Very much agree with this. The end result might actually be that women and girls won’t be allowed to go out at all, which isn’t great.

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        11 days ago

        More than likely in some cases.
        And I don’t see any potential positive end results for anyone except bigots.

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    11 days ago

    As an American, I don’t have a whole lot to be proud of, but I’ll be damned if I don’t think every country deserves First Amendment rights