Thing being, even the cheap models don’t offer good value for money. Once the big players run out of money, the whole thing will collapse.
Mozilla wants to do everything except make Firefox succeed, it seems.
What would actually make it succeed though? I have been using it for a long time, not like there are any issues.
Just seems more of a culture for people just use Chrome. Is marketing the solution or what?
Sometimes I feel like believing the conspiracy theory that the heads at mozilla are google flunkies, who only keep the browser around so google can’t be called out for monopolistic behavior with Chrome. Firefox is the only alternative to V8, the Chrome web engine. Safari doesn’t really count
What a shame it would be if the trend continued towards powerful free and local models that can run on hardware people already own. Then all the poor companies trying to crash the economy and rent their models to everyone at exorbitant prices along with all the data centers being built might go bankrupt.
‘Rebel Alliance’ for Open Source: Good, I’m with you.
AI: Nope.
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
There’s so much more we could do.
Is this a glitch in my app or how does this comment have a negative amount of downvotes?
I mean, it is a good quote.
someone’s salty
what can be open in an LLM? genuine question, I don’t understand how it can be open, or rather what difference openess does to a nobody like me, when all those companies need so much resources and input data to train their own?
The report contains clues about how Mozilla might be planning to sustain itself if the revenue streams from Firefox dry up.
jeez. im almost feeling bad for them. should we send them like 10$ or something. I use it
Pretty sure they’ll be fine.
“Mozilla CEO earned $6,903,089 in 2022” https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5053290/mozilla-2023-annual-report-ceo-pay-skyrockets-while-firefox-marketshare-nosedives
JWZ has also had some choice words:
Also: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2026/01/kitten-meat-deli-slices/ (explicitly about Mozilla stuff) And
By design, you can’t send Mozilla money for Firefox development. It all goes into AI and venture capital grants and whatever else isn’t the browser.
What I remember from the movies is that the rebel alliance is being hunted to extinction unless they get lucky and one shot the bad guy.
has Mozilla considered spending their limited resources working on their web browser
Part of the report is also a contingency for when they need to find alternative income.
They’re hardly abandoning all Firefox development and dumping it into this.
When Firefox dies, will websites stop pretending to follow W3C and just all spec to chrome and make the Web even more of a surveillance nightmare?
Then we’ll really need a rebel alliance.
Well, Safari is still a thing and has a five times higher market share than Firefox. If Firefox were the only competitor left standing their 3% market share would already not be enough for many companies to care
Sounds like the Mozilla CEO has joined the AI evangelism war on the side of the evangelists.
“I don’t want seven AGIs, one for every single one of the big companies. I want seven billion AGIs,” Krikorian says, referring to artificial general intelligence. “I want us to each have an AGI that’s truly on our side, not on someone else’s side.”
No wonder he’s doing Star Wars comparisons, because this is a fantasy thing that the world’s billionaires can’t figure out how to build.
The report contains clues about how Mozilla might be planning to sustain itself if the revenue streams from Firefox dry up. “You shouldn’t be surprised if in a few months you see that we’ve released our own harness,” Krikorian tells TIME.
Because there aren’t enough of those, and because Mozilla will definitely entice people to pay money to them because… Why?
You son of a bitch I’m in.
They should join the web browser rebel alliance since there is no alternative to Chrome.
Ladybird is slowly becoming useable the last time i looked, so there is some movement out there, but it’s slow and the future of the open web browser and the open web itself is currently very uncertain.
Ladybird’s main dev considers existance of anybody who isn’t he-him to be a political stance.
I am more interested in servo browser now.
Last year I was reading a bit about Mozilla, all that google money, their spendings, their CEO and got really really angry looking on how shit the Firefox is I use daily.
The reason Firefox still exists is that Google can prove it’s not a Chrome monopoly. Now this is just me forming conspiracy theories, but I do believe that Google would stop these payments the day Firefox would really out-innovate Chrome and get more market share.
I do believe all that Google money is not keeping Firefox alive, it’s keeping it dead.
At that moment I rage-donated money to Servo. Monthly. Didn’t regret it, yet. Found their transparency records what they use it for. Up to now they use their money very responsibly.
Open source ai is doing well. Mozilla integrating the models directly into it’s browser doesn’t really do anything to help them.
I have to disagree. Easing access is the thing that is needed to ensure that Open Source AI isn’t pushed to the fringes of society.
Even Browser addons are a hurdle for the common user. You are speaking from the perspective of someone who knows how to do things.
Making sure everyone regardless of technical aptitude can use OS AI is the only thing guaranteeing that closed source apps that simplify access don’t take over everything.
For example, I’ve already had a decent bit of resistance just trying to encourage friends, and family to use an ad-blocker.
That’s basically a recommended standard for using the internet these days, like pop-up blockers were. Government agencies use and generally recommend them.
Open models are one of the few forces keeping AI from becoming an oligopoly: Without them, a handful of companies would control the technology, prices, and the rules of what users are allowed to do. Competition from open models is already pushing the entire industry to innovate faster and charge less. 💪😎✌️
If the open source ones are good enough why would anyone pay enough for AIMegacorp to make a profit?
From my personal experience, most companies don’t look at the benchmarks and simply buy “AI” from a company based on their perception of that company.
All the Chinese models are scary and “dangerous”, Grok too (but for slightly more legitimate reasons), Meta that’s Facebook and everyone knows they’re bad at privacy (even your boss), so they end up choosing Microsoft’s AI, OpenAI, or Anthropic.
Most companies have not yet been using AI efficiently, and often do so simply out of FOMO. What’s more, the fact that open-weight models have caught up with or even overtaken closed AIs is a recent development over the last six months.
