Firefox says it will keep supporting uBlock Origin even as Microsoft Edge and other Chromium browsers phase it out under Manifest V3.
I don’t understand. It’s still working for me on an up-to-date Brave.
And that is why I still support Firefox!
The best extension :)
+ a mediocre browser
Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?
Chrome’s advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn’t that much worse.
No, you’re a mediocre browser
And his mom is too
Gotem!
His dad is a great Bowser though
Can confirm; Dan’s mom = very mediocre. Not worth the journey to her house 3/10.
complaints not parsed into action items aren’t worth anyone’s time.
you assume im here to enrich your online experience. im not. parse your own shit
3 days later and that’s all you’ve got? No wit in that staircase. The only time you’re worth is the catharsis in telling you to kick rocks; so kick rocks.
Yes, 3 days later because I’m not terminally online like you
yeah no you’re still not worth my time. time to block your little wet fart of an existence. byeeeeeeeee
Why?
It’s bait. The only “better” browsers are downstreams of FF.
No, you’re a towel
What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?
Don’t feed the troll, down vote and move on
im an old web dev and im stuck in my shitty ways which includes not liking how ff is the only effing browser that takes extra effort to make the front-end look and function correctly. tbh, i do use ff on android 99% of the time, but ff on desktop breaks too many sites if you have any inkling of ff’s security turned on.
im not wrong, you all are just fanboys
Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.
Google is locking down Android too!
Is there a good small cheap repairable phone out there? I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone. And I cant experiment as much as I would want on my main phone.
Ive almost thought about carrying a tiny burner phone then a small laptop for everything else.
You named it the Fairphone is the best Linux phone.
You have a point.
…it is a really nice phone.
I just cant afford two. First world problem haha.
The Commedore phone, if you want something minimalistic that does have Android compatibility.
Last I was aware, Linux phones work really well on Google Pixel 3as. They’re no longer supported by stock Android nor still manufactured so I assume the second hand ones will be cheap.
I appreciate the response.
I have owned two google phones. Both had hardware issues/battery issues and one almost exploded. One day it got super hot and the battery turned into a spicy pillow. Sorry but im not going to get another google phone as long as I live. Neither lasted more than 2 years.
That’s fair. Which models did you have? I had a couple problems with the earlier Google Pixels, but I’ve found the later ones have really ironed out their hardware problems.
I think your main problem is going to be finding phones for cheap that also work well as Linux phones. I think the lowest-effort options like Pine phones are gonna cost you more. But I wish you luck.
I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone
What do you mean? You can’t use your FP4?
I’m considered getting a FP6 relatively soon, and would be using it as my only one…
I use android via /e/os. But I cannot experiment with my only phone. There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.
FF is a great phone btw.
There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.
That’s my main concern too.
Here in Denmark, the MitID authentication app is completely integral to functioning online, and last I checked it doesn’t work on GrapheneOS, so /e/os is probably not likely either 🫤
I got myself a physical code chip because MitID doesn’t work with /e/. The code chip works great.
The app is probably convenient, but I am also very happy not to depend on my phone to sign in to everything.
You can’t use something like bitwarden for mitid?
Nope, you’ll need mitid specifically. It’s run by the government and mandated 😮💨
I think you should be able to emulate /e/ OS to try out some stuff? Maybe someone else can chime in. Dont know if that helps or not.
My 2fa works in /e/ but im going to assume other OSes probably wont.
I love my FP6
Every Linux phone uses an android shim just because it isn’t possible to change the firmware iirc
As far as I know the Google Developer Verification BS won’t reach Custom ROMs right? But yea in the long run it probably makes to make the jump one day or another.
Welcome, ye hordes!
Brave, Ungoogled Chromium, and Helium all still support uBlock Origin.
This is not true.
The flag that UnGoogled Chromium used to support it is going away, and AFAIK there is no fix. Helium inherited the same patch from UnGoogled Chromium.
They will both lose support. See their relevant GitHub issues.
Brave uses a custom, integrated adblocking engine; it technically doesn’t need UBO.
I said these browsers currently allow installing MV2 extensions; I didn’t predict about the future. Ok, ungoogled chromium will remove the flag in the future, and it can also affect helium. But it’s in the future; currently that flag is still there.
Brave is sued for its shady practices, ok! But we are talking about the installation of Manifest V2 extensions in the Chromium-based browsers, which the title explicitly says Firefox is the only browser that now allows you to install ublock origin, which is misleading. Brave still supports ublock origin, no matter if someone hates the browser or someone found it self-hosted.
So what do you guys find bad about me mentioning Brave? Also please mention a word: I’m saying these browsers are going to support MV2 extensions (ublock origin) forever.
…Okay. Technically, that’s true, going by strict semantics.
But the Helium and Ungoogled Chromium are going to lose MV2, soon. I feel like “still supports uBlock Origin” doesn’t sufficiently convey that to Lemmy commenters trying to read the situation. That’s all I meant.
In other words, practically, if a users want to use UBO, they should know these browsers will not support that in the near future even if, strictly speaking, they support it right this second.
I believe this means Brave will lose support too, unless they intend to extensively modify Chromium to maintain compatibility themselves (which seems odd, as Brave doesn’t really need UBO since it has its own adblocking engine?)
The problem with Brave is the homophobic CEO which, at least for me, is a big no
Jfc, first they had like some coin miner, then dubious analytics or settings or something, now the head dude is a bigot? It’s like an as-seen-on-TV ad: “but wait, there’s more!”
“but wait, there’s more!”
Unironically, yes
At issue was Eich’s $1,000 donation in 2008 to the campaign to pass California’s Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that outlawed same-sex marriages.
https://apnews.com/general-news-d329c440023842998be70d80b69d7f46
It’s Brave if you to mention the browser Brave here.
Silly, but brave 🤷🏻
It’s not here, dude. It’s inside your mind.
Its still working in Vivaldi alo. Had to re-enable it tho, it’s “unsupported” but working.
It won’t for long. Upstream chromium removed it and the browsers based on the code are not going to work to continue patching it in.
If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.
That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.
If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.
Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden
i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i’m making heavy use of ublock’s dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.
if firefox drops manifest v2 and you’re relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?
if firefox drops manifest v2
I think they said they will go out of their way to keep the extension APIs in Mv3 that uBlock needs
you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?
Can confirm, I was thinking about switching off of Chrome due to this but since I don’t use the custom stuff (much) I’m not noticing a difference with the v3 compatible “light” version of uBlock Origin.
Well…
You are still very dependent on the browser devs, themselves. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.
TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love my browser forks, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.
The most used forks are usually larger teams tbf, not a single dev
True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.
Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.
“Dev” as if it’s just a singular person
Most of the forks are teams of 10-20 devs
I’ll just spend my reading time reading more books than I do now. Forcing me to look at ads will not work.
wait for 4g books that serve you unskippable ads
I’d probably go retro, use something like Dillo and stick to more classic webpages. Or go full Gopher/Gemini.
Librewolf would probably still support it
librewolf does not have much developer capacity to maintain such heavy patches. you may remember some chromium forks telling they will maintain a patch when google completely removes this API from chromium, but it seems none of them will follow through. I can’t really fault them because it is likely a gargantuan task. but I’ll fault them for claiming something they (should) have known they can’t deliver. but my point is if vivaldi and others can’t keep it, how could librewolf?
as a websev, you’re gonna have a bad time
Still works just fine on Vivaldi. Only problem is every few updates they break it and it needs to be reinstalled. I’ve lost a bit of faith in Vivaldi for doing this. It’s one thing if they can’t code around the chromium core to allow it, but since it still works and the updates are just disabling it I think that’s pretty dirty.
Not for long. The patch that removes support is coming to Vivaldi soon.
The updates aren’t just disabling it anymore, they’re stripping the path out entirely, so it would be difficult to maintain support.
Less incentive to fight it for website developers.
Being unable to use manifest v2 extensions anymore on most chromium based stuff has resulted in me writing off almost all browsers that are base on chromium. Kudos to Firefox for continuing to support it! Let’s hope that does not change at all anytime soon.
fortunately uBlock still works on Helium
First, screw Chrome.
BUT. These headlines are clickbait.
UBO has been disabled in Chrome for a long, long time. This is nothing new. Its old news.
Ublock Lite replaced it, and it’s not going away. It’s inferior and problematic and harder on devs, yes, but unfortunately Chrome users didn’t seem notice.
What’s being disabled is a crazy-difficult-to-enable flag that basically zero Chrome users actually used, and that only (a few) downstream Chromium forks use.
Sorry, I didn’t use Chrome, which flag?
You have to launch Chrome with this command-line argument:
--disable-features=ExtensionManifestV2Unsupported,ExtensionManifestV2DisabledAnd then, I think you have to re-enable it with config flags as well:
chrome://flags/#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-warning [Disabled] chrome://flags/#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-disabled [Disabled] chrome://flags/#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-unsupported [Disabled] chrome://flags/#allow-legacy-mv2-extensions [Enabled]I have not tried this personally, though.
Inherently built into a few different browsers. I think Helium is one of them?
You would think Apple would take the massive opportunity and bake in proper privacy and ad blocking to safari. Wouldn’t hurt their bottom line.
I haven’t used MacOS or iOS for years so I’m out of the loop, but I thought Safari on both had pretty good extension support? I know Adguard is still great on both, a friend uses it (and I use it on my Linux and Android devices).
I prefer uBlock Origin Lite on Safari. I switched a while back because adblock wasn’t catching ads in YouTube.
It’s not in a bad state at all, I would just like to see adblockers baked straight into safari and on by default.
WebKit doesn’t run on Windows so this doesn’t matter to them.
You’re missing the point, WebKit not running on windows is exactly why this could be a good move for them. if they can do something better than what’s possible on windows they have a market advantage.
They’d rather people move to their platform and be locked in their ecosystem.
And this would be a way to make people want to do that.
They have pretty good privacy and anti-fingerprinting stuff in Safari, but not ad blocking— although they do have an odd tool for “hiding distracting items“ that can work as an ad hoc ad blocker of sorts. On the other hand, ublock origin light works wonderfully for me. Both on macOS Safari and iOS Safari.
I agree it works good for me as well as is, but it sure would be nice to see one baked in and on by default. It’s legitimately a safety thing, I would never turn an old person loose on the web just raw dog lol guaranteed a disaster. Every computer I’ve ever setup for a friend or family member the first thing I do is get Firefox dl on windows and install ublock if it’s a pc, or get get a blocker going on safari if it’s Mac.
Oh, I agree. It really would be nice if ublock origin light was installed by default.
Other browsers have native ad-block and you don’t need add-ons.
Ad blocking is too important to depend on a browser vendor for it.
uBlock Origin kept updating basically just-in-time in the great YouTube ad war. No browser vendor can or even just tries to match that level of dedication and quality. Ad blocking needs to be pluggable - also because of SponsorBlock which is essential for YouTube.Which ones? I only know Brave but i’d like to avoid it
Aside from the ones that install ublock by default that they are many I think waterfox got it’s own adblock now. idk
Instead of uBlock Origin rather use AdNauseam. It’s basically uBlock Origin, but it “clicks” on the blocked ads so the ad networks still have to pay website owners.
this is hilarious and I will be trying it when I’m home
With all the malware, etc., clicking on any ad is ill advised.
Ehh, its throwing the response away so there would have to be an exploit that just by receiving a response you are hacked. That would be absurdly bad, with or without AdNauseum
Those exact type of issues have existed in the past it’s why the FBI uses ad blocking and recommends that it’s used for security. There have been several browser vulnerabilities over the years that required absolutely no interaction from the user whatsoever it simply had to load the data.
The whole reason that manifest V3 was such a big deal for unlock origin is that it prevents it from intercepting and stopping the initial connection to The domain in the first place it can only remove it after it’s been received and even that was limited. On Firefox everything is still normal it’s able to completely stop the browser from ever reaching out in the first place
Getting “hacked” via clicking a link and discarding the response is so extremely rare. It would require stringing together some of the most prized zero day vulnerabilities. There is just no world where someone would run that kind of attack on a google ad in the current year.
