Canada and Mexico should make a mutual defense pact. Being pinched by land wars would make things much rougher for the US.
As a Canadian sure, but even together we’d be fucked. Europe is our main hope.
Europe, and if you get Australia and New Zealand involved, you win for sure.
They’re definitely invited to my imaginary post-NATO alliance, but I’m curious, why do you bring it up?
The Pacific. Europe isn’t much help there.
Also, New Zealand special forces are very highly regarded.
Truth. We’d have a war on two fronts without ever leaving home.
It would be suicidal
Thats what they do. Current cabinets way of doing things, force.
About time. For too long your geese have flouted our border controls with impunity. Fake voting for the democrats too no doubt. Now the wildfire smoke? I was just going to build the wall but we are past that. /s
No matter how dumb you think it will be, it’s going to be a whole lot dumber.
Am Canadian. I fully believe that within the next year he will be openly talking about invading. Within a couple of could well be done. The guerrilla war will go on for ever though, you can take Canada but you will have a very hard time keeping it.
Am American. We (the broad majority) don’t want Canada. or Greenland. or Venezuela. Any of this fascist shit. I’m so fucking sick of this. I want to go back to politics being boring-ish and about deciding what taxes will and won’t pay for and having actual friends whom we aren’t actively bullying. I wish this scenario were laughable, but it’s not.
That doesn’t help at all. We are complicit.
No citizenship ever has been in a better position to prevent their government from doing horrible things, and yet we do nothing. We wring our hands and aren’t willing to hurt, let alone die, for what is morally right. The small arms in this country are more than enough to overwhelm the entire place. We have the numbers and the weapons and yes some would have to die. This isn’t even special though, all throughout history people have died for principles, it’s just… we don’t have any.
You are a serf of America. What you want matters exactly as much as what I want here in Canada.
The guerrilla war will go on for ever though
You think Canadians are going to shoot mounties and cops in meaningful numbers?
Yes we will, Asshole.
What makes us so different than all those highly armed and trained individuals NOT shooting ICE agents right now? Don’t fucking call strangers names, shitface.
I hope I’m wrong. But also maybe don’t post something that can be used against you to stop you from doing the thing.
Americans and traitors, the latter of which may include MAGA Canadians. There are currently an uncomfortable number of them (including cops, I suspect) that haven’t figured out that announcing your treasonous intentions all over Facebook and Twitter just makes it easier for everyone to know who the enemy is when conflict breaks out. And as the state is usually predisposed during conflict, traitors are typically dealt with by the mob…and the mob has a far less nuanced and humane view of justice.
These MAGA Canadians think it’s an edgy joke.
Americans and traitors
An occupation of Canada would mostly be handled by your own law enforcement, just under new management, though I’m sure a bunch of confederate-flag-pickup Albertans would sign up too, once hiring standards are removed.
Yep, all targets
Individual mounties and city cops will be on the guerilla’s side as often as not. Resistance becomes possible because it will be against whatever new collaborateur occupation force, and there could still be a government in exile out there directing and giving it legitimacy.
Of course, we get to live in Afghanistan but with a harder climate in this scenario. Yaaay. /s
Fellow Canadian. The US has been moderately successful at third generation warfare (so long as they are part of an international coalition, they don’t do so hot on their own). They are less successful at fourth generation warfare.
To expand, the goal of third generation warfare is outright victory in a state on state conflict. Fourth generation warfare’s goal is to make war very, VERY uncomfortable in an asymmetric conflict. There is no outright victory condition (aside from total annihilation). The USA can look forward to a very generous helping of the latter should they invade Canada.
No need to invade when Alberta’s government will do anything for oil money.
The UCP in Alberta and the CPC federally, are both so deep in Trumps pocket they’re trading pocket lint and hard mint candies as NFT’s.
The sad part is they try so hard and get no acknowledgment from Trump. Taking control of Venezuela has even created a financial quagmire for the UCP budget. Not that they probably care, they’ll just cut public services to keep the kleptocracy running.
I have the distinct feeling they won’t be calling an early election, if the UCP got what they really wanted, the next Alberta election would be held as an American territory, and the UCP would be running as Republicans.
The propaganda is working!
Soon everyone can cower to this demented administration.
Countries seem woefully unpreprared for the fallout when the US collapses even more than it already has.
Britain and France should work together to give a fully equipped nuclear sub to Canada. My country is turning to shit and everyone needs to build nukes to protect themselves from it.
Honestly just the nukes on loan would be enough. There’s zero standoff and light defences accross the border. We could give the uranium or plutonium to make replacements, even.
Failing that, I really hope Carney is eyeing a redundant treaty in case NATO dies.
in case NATO dies.
I think it’s when and not if.
I hope so too, but as far as I can tell Canada is being run by the second coming of Neville Chamberlain
The question is which Carney was the act, right? The pre-election version, or the one after? Even if he is elbows-up, doing it quietly would be imperative, so it’s not impossible.
My dude-after the very first threats Trudeau (who was still PM then) went immediately and directly to France to borrow some subs no doubt. France is now sending troops to Greenland. Shit is serious.
Just threaten to send Canadian nuclear reactors into meltdown Chernobyl style. Mutually assured destruction the messy way.
Oh if they try to take one square centimetre they will find out the hard way what assholes Canadians are. Poisoning wells is our specialty. With a smile.
With this fucker in power nukes wouldn’t help. He’ll just gaslight his cult into thinking his farts protect them from radiation and they start nuking other countries themselves
Until about a year ago I would have said that therea no way our people in the military would cooperate. Now with seeing ice do all this heinous shit, yeah our military might actually do it
I hope our military is prepared to do something about it
Look at Ukraine, the reason they were able to stay in the fight in the early days didn’t come down to military or numerical superiority or even strategic brilliance. They were not expected to be able to put up a meaningful fight and, therefore, not put up a fight…
For instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport:
The warnings by the CIA and Kireyev helped the Ukrainian military to prepare for an attack on Antonov Airport.[16][19][21] Conversely, the Ukrainians did not expect a large-scale airborne assault on Antonov Airport, instead assuming that the Russians would send a small group of special forces with helicopters in the case of an invasion.[22] As a result, the airport only held a small garrison of 200–300 National Guard troops belonging to the 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade, as the remainder had been moved to the frontline in eastern Ukraine.[1][23] These troops were mostly conscripts, though there were a “handful” of professional contract soldiers; aside from a few BTRs, at least one ZU-23-2 gun, and a few 9K38 Igla man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS), the garrison was lightly equipped.[24]
The lesson is that, not only the military needs to be prepared, but you, the inhabitants of Canada, need to be prepared.
Deploy the mounties! Elbows up! Horses too!
Mounties, cops will all be deputized to the US side. There is no way they do the right thing when the time comes.
Canadian military is a fraction of the size of the US military.
If invaded, prospects are bleak for Canada. The US has a better chance of invading Canada than they do invading Detroit.
Canadian citizens should arm up but I don’t think their laws allow for it.
Good For Canada. It’s a move in the correct direction for their country. In the meantime, they’re still outnumbered 30:1 in the USA of armed civilians vs. canadian military
US has lost to Canada each time they have incurred on our borders.
I wouldn’t bother, there is nothing to suggest this person is interested in seriously engaging on this topic. For example they seem to think the number of civilian owned firearms is a determining factor, when it hasn’t even helped the US to avoid fascism in their own country.
True.
I don’t think you’ve thought very deeply or very seriously about this.
I haven’t. There’s absolutely no need to “think deeply” about the strongest military in the world going up vs a nation that’s not in the conversation.
Russia was the second strongest military in the world when they invaded Ukraine, weren’t they?
No, it was and still is China.
You’re a moron.
And you’re in 4th grade? Who the fuck immediately resorts to name calling instead of attempting to actually make a point. Loser.
I don’t have serious discussions with anyone who sincerely believes in American exceptionalism, just like I don’t have serious discussions with fascists. I am particularly disinclined to have any discussions with an American fascist who clearly has no respect for my country or the former alliance we had with the US. My country has literally bled for you ungrateful pricks, among many other contributions over decades, and I can’t think of a single thing you’ve done but bully us.
Discussing with your camp is never in good faith. You don’t believe in words, and there is no evidence or argument that is acceptable. It’s a waste of time to bother. Thankfully I believe you’re not representative of good Americans, who seem to have had enough of this bullshit.
By the way you should know your insults mean nothing to me. I’ve been called worse things by better people than you (I’m sure that’s a low bar to clear), and I’ve seen who you look up to. Get back on your knees for your orange daddy, maybe this time he’ll finish in your mouth.
It’s not American exceptionalism. It’s math.
It really depends on timeframe suggested.
Ever? Yes, they definitely may.
Wouldn’t NATO defend against the US invading Canada so US would have to fight against themselves.
The USA is becoming an enemy of NATO and would sooner attack its traditional allies than defend them. And it’s looking like the rest of NATO may just chicken out if the USA attacks a NATO member state. We really need a new defensive pact between Europe and other countries in the Americas, particularly Mexico and Canada, independent of the USA. But the USA is aggressive and militarily stronger, so it’s a bad situation.
It was a pact made with the devil from the start. This is what happens when the USA gets constantly sucked up to because they are the “powerhouse” of the world. The problems where already obvious due to the flawed way everything is centralized towards this country.
As the point stands, the leaders of other countries are to scared to stand their ground against fascist trump. Of course this may change, but the thing is; signs of inadequacy where there from early on, it’s just that only a select few really seemed to care about it.
No. Like the dutch peacekeepers in Albania more like it. The US is Nato.
Cute of you to think the US still respects any laws.
I wouldn’t run it past Trump; the guy is mentally unstable and a psychopath.
… and the American people are feckless sheep
PS: although I must recognize that, since the murder of Renee Good, it does seem that some are waking up
I am impressed at the amount of downvotes. The US had crossed several thresholds now which would’ve (and should’ve) caused Civil wars a while ago or in other countries.
Downvoting the post above confirms it has not yet been understood where the US now stands.
What actual things have happened since her killing to give you any hope of meaningful resistance in the US since then? Not (strictly) rhetorical.
To my mind, the minute the Trump regime feel the least bit threatened you’d see things like mass arrests and possibly martial law. But the American would be resistance is still holding out that the world, or the US at least, will still be there in a year so that they get to see if Trump will allow free and fair midterms.
I think it shows a strange effect about American geography. It’s really hard to organize a meaningful, resilient, and camera-worthy resistance because we’re so spread out. It’s all about congregating at big cities, like LA, Portland or Minneapolis.
Like, if British people wanted to protest and resist in the streets, they go to London. All of them. It’s accessible. Americans can’t do that with Washington DC.
But I’m in Kansas City, and while our No Kings protests have had not-insignificant turnouts, it’s not as easy or impactful because we had three protest cities across two-state suburban area. Can we get that many Kansas Citians to flock to Minneapolis to disrupt ICE ops? No, not really. It’s why all the major protest and ICE disruptions happen in the biggest cities of the “blue”-est states.
I don’t know about that, just five years ago Trump supporters managed to storm Capitol Hill – was pretty memorable and headline grabbing. Anti-Trump protestors can give whatever excuse they want for why they’re not equally capable or why they wouldn’t even something equally drastic, but the bottom line is that they don’t. Presumably because they lack the Maga movements to take risks and not play nice.
The conflict level is simply too low. It doesn’t take a million people to cause disruptions, but it takes escalation. Americans are too complacent to do that, a world war for instance are not high enough stakes – that’s just another war on foreign soil, something the warrior caste will deal with.
It’s simply going to take outside involvement – military and economic – to get rid of Trump.
I mean, did the Jan 6 riots accomplish anything?
While objectives like overturning the election and assassinating unaligned congress people failed, the riots accomplished a few things. In addition to being an example of such a high profile attack on the opposing political side that Trump’s opponents are uncapable of, these include:
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Triggering a constitutional crisis (loss of control over the country’s legislature).
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Revealing external (to the rioters) support for extreme measures.
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Signaling willingness within their own ranks to face very big risks to achieve their goals. Arguably, leading Biden to take a softer and more concilliatory approach to dealing with an overt coup attenpt (!!!) to avoid further conflict and civil unrest.
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Over all emboldening Trump aligned militants.
Essentially attained but not seized on
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Gained access to massive amounts of (presumably) sensitive legislative documents
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Opportunity to attempt a prolonged occupation of the legislature and disrupting legislative work.
Aftermath
The rioters have since ostensibly been proclaimed national heroes by the current regime. Following the riot, the movement’s ultimate goal of another term for Trump was achieved. It’s disingenious to argue that the riot directly led Trump’s 2024 win, but it’s hard to argue that an attempted coup in his name foiled his reelection efforts. Rather, he ran from an unprecedented position of power thanks to Supreme Court decisions declaring him largely immune from prosecution.
I think the case for the J6 riots having no material significance for the political development in the US in the following time, is thin.
That doesn’t mean that I think it’s a blueprint for resistance against Trump. Rather, there are many reasons why one would not want to take ones queues from Proud Boys. But the bottom line is this: while a lot of people are demanding that resistance should be fought in a matter consistent with winning, know that you can’t win without fighting.
Fighting doesn’t equate killing people or storming the Capitol. It can also mean severe disruption of normal operations of the government through mostly non-violent means, like targeted strikes, mass disobedience and sabotage. Big No Kings style protests and marches are also legit forms of fighting, if they don’t insist on not being disruptive and following directions from law enforcement. Notably, not all of the above require millions to travel from afar.
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Discrediting the rule of law, as proven by Merrick Garland and the apathy by Biden.
It’s also winter in Minneapolis, it’d be like Europeans traveling to Norway to protest. America us a lot bigger than any single European country.
Since Good’s murder, I am finally starting to have hope of a successful American Revolution
And so are Canadians… yikes
Mostly dependent on how much public attention there currently is on him being a confirmed pedophile.
Parts of it, certainly.
