• panthera_@lemmy.today
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    11 days ago

    The proposal would save face for Putin. He would be able to boast to the Russian people that he got the US out of Europe.

    NATO would be replaced by a European alliance. With Ukraine in the alliance, it would be formidable force. Trump is already talking about leaving NATO. He also seems friendly towards Putin. The UK and France have nuclear weapons. The US won’t have troops or equipment stationed in Europe, but it can join the fight with Europe if Russian invades.

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      11 days ago

      In other words, Europe should surrender to the aggressor, despite the fact that he’s trapped in what’s (for him) at best a stalemate.

      Europe and the US already capitulated to the Anschluss of Crimea. How much peace did that buy us?

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        10 days ago

        Europe is not surrendering. In my proposal, Russia would be required to withdraw from all land it seized after the 2022 invasion.

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          10 days ago

          There is zero chance russia withdraws. The lines will end where one military begins.

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            10 days ago

            In my proposal, the UK and France will send troops into Ukraine if Putin rejects the proposal.

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              9 days ago

              First of all, the UK and France are both weak, and about to be toppled by putin (and now america,) backed fascists.

              Shit is not looking good.

              But they would be too much of cunts to do that anyway. This isn’t 1780, the euro powers are weak and corrupted.

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                8 days ago

                The British and French air forces might be able to gain air superiority. British and French troops would boost Ukrainian morale possibly increasing enlistment. The UK and France are no weaker than Russia which is having a difficult time defeating Ukraine.

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                  8 days ago

                  They have weaker leadership. Absolutely, Europe would wipe the floor with russia in a conventional war, they won’t though.