But you’ll need a powerful system with 64GB of RAM to use it.
Microslop thinks that “Clutter free” means “bundled with an always on LLM” 😸
It will be interesting to see what the price point is for Zenith, and the hardware needed to run it.
Who pays for Windows
A developer who needs windows, for whatever reason ever, is going to be able to pull of and setup most of these system settings and apps in under an hour.
Then on the other hand, I downloaded, installed and base configured my new laptop with linux while commuting for one hour on the train. lol
Fool me once… maybe we can try to fool them for the hundredth time.
Zero details about what clutter they’re going to remove…
The users.
Given the memory requirement, my guess is that they’re not removing anything, just hiding it. And adding more useless crap on top.
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Don’t be so mean. You can do many useful things on windows. Like for example selecting Linux distro, downloading it and saving on an USB.
Don’t be so mean? Sometimes I use Edge to download a new browser then uninstall Windows.
And you can use its image creation tool to write a Windows installer .iso to a thumbdrive, for others who absolutely have to have it!
Fucked if I can work out why downloading the Windows .iso in Linux and writing it to USB has not once resulted in a bootable medium for me, despite literally every non-MS .iso working perfectly with the same tools.
Lol I just found my burned CD-ROM of windows 10. I seem to remember asking on reddit how I can get a disk copy when they were offering a free upgrade from windows 7 to windows 10. Everyone clowned on me and downvoted and saying I was ridiculous for asking such a thing. Looks like I figured it out somehow.
Is asking for a physical copy such a ridiculous request lol? It gives me peace of mind that I can reinstall whenever.
Whatever, I’ve since moved onto Linux only for the last 5 years or so. The days of dual booting are long behind me. Funny enough in that pile of CD-ROMs was Ubuntu 10.04, the first distro I ever used. I remember doing a bunch of convoluted bullshit to get Oblivion to run on WINE haha.
That’s more fun on Linux though.
Like for example selecting Linux distro, downloading it and saving on an USB.
Using an USB thing is the somewhat decadent newfangled way to do things. The more classy way was to download the whole distro to an 1.44 MB floppy drive. \installation was by
dd .... of=/dev/fd0. It was possible to boot it on an 386 PC. Though kernel compiles were a bit lengthy.Why not just PXE boot it over the token ring network?
Gotta test it out after the upgrade to 10Mb/s Ethernet!
Whoah! Did you build the new kernel for it? This UDP stuff is crazy.
I hope everyone uses this new UDP thing!
Didn’t have a network card.
Heh, I remember another distro called Floppix — small enough to fix on two floppy disks
There is also Knoppix, designed for rescue purposes.
Win 11 IOT enterprise LTSC already exists and doesn’t even require a TPM.
Unless this is a legitimate channel for regular users to get IOT enterprise LTSC, this is a non-story. The thing we want already exists, they just refuse to sell it.
Clearly, the focus is on local AI development — a timely move as cloud AI token costs start to rise.
This is called burying the lede.
If Microsoft knows this cloud-based AI thing is a bust and people will be moving to local models that are not controlled by Microsoft or OpenAI or Anthropic, then it’s only a few months before Satya tells his investors buddies and the bubble pops.
I find this unlikely… IMO I think they are hedging in both directions.
Personally I like the idea of local AI. open source models that you an control, decide, and use smartly, sort your things etc… and not pay an absurd cost or link up.
Personally I think MS is actually betting on the opposite. IE they had a prototype windows that was basically just an AI prompt, no start menu etc… and applications just “streamed”.
IMO I think that’s more of the goal, use the data center buildout to drive up hardware prices, until people cannot afford a basic PC. Sell thin clients… then sell us “access” to compute in a form where we own nothing, but pay by the processes used etc…
I agree it’s a hedge, but I think it’s a pretty big admission that the writing is on the wall.
Given how much Windows has invested in cloud AI, that they are encouraging developers–the sweetest plum, the people most likely to pay for cloud AI–a local environment is a pretty big admission. This is the sort of thing corporations that have the ability to control markets don’t do unless they think the market is going to leave them behind.
I’m pretty sure local models still induce pyschosis and hallucinate. Maybe the cat’s out of the bag, but they still suck.
They absolutely do suck, but I can see some practical uses for them. IE I can see LLM’s as useful in localized specialized uses. for me I’d really like basically LLM as a like calendar, scheduling kind of thing, also say translating home assistant commands through a voice assistant to make it figure out actual intent etc…, nothing super mission critical, but also mostly things I wouldn’t want any 3rd party service that could change the rules for me, share them to others etc…
64GB would be on the short side for local AI stuff today, 128 with some 80-96 shared for vram is probably a better start. IMO.
Is this their follow up to the wildly successful Project Test Everything In Production?
They never stopped that one, actually
You had me for the first half
You believed Microslop once, that’s on them. You believed Microslop twice, that’s on you.
Clearly, the focus is on local AI development — a timely move as cloud AI token costs start to rise.
AI token costs are only rising for people with low AI proficiency who compensate for that by just using expensive models for everything. For others, the costs are dropping quite a lot, largely thanks to Chinese models (GLM, Kimi, Qwen, etc.)
Lmao
rofl, even.
Why doesn’t Microsoft just use AI to fix their shit products? I thought AI was the future and Microsoft is OpenAI’s largest shareholder so this should be a slam dunk.
You need 64 GB or RAM to use it? Seems like it’s just a marketing gimmick to find dumb developers who can afford 64GB of RAM in the first place. Kind of like that “I am Rich” app…
it’s 64gb so you can run local ai models to ‘re-clutter’ your windows experience.
I am curious, how many of the Lemmy/piefed/mbin servers can meet this requirement. I know only lemmy.world that does.
Some of us bought our 64gb of ram when it was cheap.
I have 128gb. I didn’t need 128gb but it was a good deal and thought fuck it, i spent too much into AM4 anyway might as well go all in and not bother with AM5 for another four years if ever.
I wish I had. I was foolishly waiting for the 32gb sticks I needed to drop below $120.
Just a couple years more!
I rarely manage to time anything correctly for market fluctuations, but for once I hit it right on the head when I built this machine last summer.
I almost did the same but settled on 64GB :`(
It’s called zenith because it only gets worse from here
This had me in stitches, damn you.
