Christians say, “God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful. He can literally do anything, including giving people superpowers, etc. God can do ANYTHING. He could make pigs fly with a snap of the fingers; he could create infinite universes with just speaking it into existence.” But, at the same time, these same people say, “God had to send his son to die because it was the only way.”

Okay, then God is not all-powerful then, lol. He’s not omnipotent. That’s literally the opposite of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he literally had infinite options. In fact, if he’s this powerful, then sending his son is a really dumb idea and makes zero sense.

I don’t know if this comparison makes sense, but in The Flash TV show, when they were fighting a speedster named Savitar, there was a building with metahuman power dampeners so you can’t use your powers inside this building. Savitar was going to kill Iris West, so what would be the smart thing to do??? Maybe put Iris in this building because Savitar can’t use his powers inside it. Case closed. It would make no sense for this option to be here but then for Team Flash to say, “We know this easier and smarter option exists, but Iris, you dying is the only way we can stop Savitar and save you.”

See what I mean? Point is, if God is omnipotent, then Jesus dying wasn’t the only way. Jesus being tortured so he could feel all the pain of sin was not necessary. If you’re saying this was the only way, then fine, but don’t say God is all-powerful and limitless, because clearly there are limits to God’s own power.

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    Jesus didn’t die to save anyone, he died because the Romans (colluding with corrupt Jewish religious authorities from what I understand) thought he was too dangerous of an element to keep alive. And many prophets and righteous believers have suffered injustice and death at the hands of the powerful. And I’m sure he knew it would end up like this too, which makes his open preaching and “social disruption” (fucking with the money folk at the temple, for instance) even more badass (and many more fitting, positive adjectives I can’t think of right now, lol).

    Yeah, Roman Catholicism, and any offshoot that follows its tenets, is nonsensical. But Jesus was a “Jew”, a monotheist in the vein of Abraham, Moses and Solomon, who didn’t come to “change the Law and the prophets but to fulfill it”, to embody one that makes IRL change because his faith cannot allow him to do otherwise, to just be inactive. If the world is shit because of our own action and inaction, isn’t it time to make the right choices? So he lived that life and walked the walk and talked the talk, so we can still talk about him (his talk and his walk, not his divinity of Roman origin…) two thousand years later, because he was very conscious that, in much the same way that you don’t jump off of a roof because you understand gravity and the dangers of falling from high altitude, if he didn’t do his best to be okay with the Heavenly Father (of everyone and everything, not an actual anthropomorphic dad, but the Creator on the outside and responsible of spacetime and everything in it; without compare is the Almighty, the Merciful), his soul could fall into Hell. He just, to quote Diogenes, was “singing louder in the choir so everyone else could follow the right tune”. Anyways, follow Jesus and you’ll be okay with God. For further info, read the Sermon on the Mount. If you wanna deep dive into what happened to actual Abrahamic monotheism after the Romans mutated and exported it, the Qur’an is freely available online (Clear Qur’an is a good translation, so is the Monotheist Qur’an). 👋