Emmanuel Macron has hit back at Donald Trump’s latest threats to impose tariffs on any country opposing his Greenland takeover, warning that “no amount of intimidation” will persuade European nations to change their course on Greenland.

He was echoed by the Swedish prime minister, Ulf Kristersson, who warned the EU would not be “blackmailed” by the US president, who on Saturday announced 10% tariffs on eight European countries from 1 February, with a further 25% tariff from 1 June.

In a joint statement, EU leaders said “tariffs would undermine transatlantic relations and risk a dangerous downward spiral”.

It is highly likely that the European parliament will halt ratification of last summer’s trade deal with the US after Manfred Weber, the head of the European People’s party, the largest voting bloc in the institute, said they would have to pause the legal rubber stamping process.

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    4 months ago

    Why doesn’t Europe do psyops on Americans like Russia? Christ, as we’ve seen America is very easily manipulated.

    • hector@lemmy.today
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      The right has so many they would try to stop you, minimize you. Publicize it and make a big fuss.

      You should though. But your own countries will fall under our leadership in the west, without a real popular reform you will fall as well to fake popular reform of a far right backed by the us, russia, billionaires.

    • Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip
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      4 months ago

      We go straight at it. A thing i personally despise very much is this all secret behind the back stuff with misinformation and whatnot.

      Personally i think we would do our enemies a favor if we punch their teeth in since the brain gets more oxygen that way and they may come to their senses.

      Cringe keyboardwarrior i know but thats my opinion.

      Coming from a country where im not even sure we have a secret service.(maybe its just that good 🧐)

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        If you’re not gonna do psyops, you have to do an even better counter-psyops. Otherwise you will be fucked in the ass without realising it, until you’re bleeding to death and it’s too late.

        Just look at how beautifully Russian psyops worked on splitting up the Americunts and pitting them against each other.

        Russian psyops have lesser effect in Europe because people in Europe are generally better educated and are also taught in schools about propaganda and fake news and how to recognise those.

      • 3abas@lemmy.world
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        This isn’t something to celebrate, and will only accelerate Europe’s slide into fascism.

        Europe is already complicit with many of America’s worst criminal wars and genocides, and giving the governments more “intelligence” power will be used to secure their interests, not yours. More surveillance will never make you more free and secure.

    • MoffKalast@lemmy.world
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      The best kind of psyops is the kind nobody thinks is even happening. Trying to be subtle in today’s brash politics may not be the best plan though I guess, it takes too long.

  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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    I think the only response to Trump’s threat is a demand that he explain himself in order to allow trade to resume.

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      I don’t know… I find it quite intimidating that there’s a bunch of power in the hands of a psychopath with dementia and emotional self-regulation abilities worse than the average toddler.

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          Sure he’s easy enough to manipulate for certain people, but it’s still not the same as those people being directly in charge themselves. Especially because there’s multiple different groups all manipulating him at the same time. Not that I’d want the people behind the manipulation to be in charge either…

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    It is interesting that the pedophile defender says only he can defend Greenland but he is a lame duck president and won’t be there in 3 years. Could easily be dead by then too.

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      Far be it from me to defend a Trump in any way, but the American desire to control Greenland does pre-date his presidency by a good stretch and it will still be a fond wish of the Department of War after he is gone. Trump is in this one personally because he thinks it will be a jewel of his legacy to add territory to the country. And he is always up for confrontational harassment of Europe and brandishing his sword as CIC. But Greenland specifically was put on his agenda by others in security defense circles. There is a case for it, and that case isn’t old and tired, it’s getting stronger as ice melts.

      • RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca
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        There is a case for America to ally with Denmark and the EU, so that America can partner on resources to the benefit of all involved, and so America can support and maintain military presence for the mutual security of the North.

        It’s the height of American arrogance, and indifference to global suffering, to even consider that there is a case where the US unilaterally occupies Greenland.

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        Dude, there is a case in American history for doing genocide of natives too. What is your “defense” of Trump here? Like, I don’t disagree with you that American Imperialism is not unique to Trump - but you seem to be saying this makes it justified? Maybe I’m reading your comment wrong though.

    • wheezy@lemmy.ml
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      If you think the fascist will roll over and allow a peaceful transfer of power in 3 years then you have not been paying attention.

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    Until the captured by the oligarchy mainsream parties running as status quo lose to a far right running as reform backed by the us and russia. Then it changes, and it is inevitable without popular reform on the ballot.

    How much does france unbowed have to suck that they never take it. Or their influencers that they keep with unpopular platforms?

  • Klnsfw 🏳️‍🌈@lemmynsfw.com
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    Something you should know about Macron: the more seriously he takes an issue, the less he does about it.

    And also, sometimes he pretends to take an issue seriously so he can make the situation worse without appearing to be responsible.

    Right now, he’s probably packing his golf clubs.

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      He did send troops to Greenland though.

      I don’t know how he’s perceived in France by the french people. But that’s not how I see him from outside France.

      It would be cool if you could elaborate.

      • Klnsfw 🏳️‍🌈@lemmynsfw.com
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        Macron is very unpopular in France. A poll by a reputable institute published today gives him an 18% approval rating, compared to 79% disapproval.

        At the moment, everyone is waiting for him to leave (2027). The left hates him because of his authoritarian policies, which are geared solely towards the wealthiest. The right wants his job so it can do more or less the same thing. The far right has never been so close to power and is biding its time, ready to do the same but with even greater brutality and racism.

        His presidency has seen two huge social movements: the yellow vests (quasi-insurrectionary for purchasing power) and the pension reform, with the population overwhelmingly supporting the unions (and in the end Macron getting his bill passed without a vote in parliament).

        Under his presidency, the police have also become much more violent: using weapons considered to be weapons of war, techniques for surrounding demonstrators, labeling opponents as terrorists in order to use anti-terrorism measures (particularly ecologist opponents).

        It would take forever to list all of his empty or misleading speeches, but here are a few examples.

        He declared that violence against women would be a “major national cause.” He did nothing about it, not a single law, not a penny spent on it. But he appointed ministers who had already been accused of rape. Also a few weeks ago, his wife was recorded calling feminists “sale connes” (fucking bitches).

        He promised a consultation on ecology, and he got randomly selected citizens and experts to work on it. This group was supposed to make recommendations that would be written into law. In the end, Macron didn’t take any of the working group’s proposals. On the contrary, he keeps making laws for intensive agriculture.

        He was elected thanks to votes from the left to block the far-right candidate. He promised he would fight against her racist ideas. All he has done is play into the hands of the far right by impoverishing the country, telling the same anti-immigration bullshit, and designating the left as the political enemy to be defeated.

        He made abortion legal under the Constitution (it was already legal, but not as a constitutional principle)… But under wording that definitively excludes trans men, and that could one day be used to say that trans women are not women.

        And I could continue over and over.

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    The best time to stand up to Trump was when he first started making threats to the EU. The second best time is now. It’s time to stand up and if Trump doesn’t TACO, we in the EU can start selling his treasuries and putting tarrifs on US cloud providers.

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    FACT: TACO

    Do whatever you want, France. Trump will chicken out. Nothing else is as for sure other than that.

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      I don’t know, he seems to be more willing to escalate on treaty allies than anyone else.

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      TACO is for things that could hurt the stock market or the the profits of capital. It literally comes from Wall Street traders.

      TACO is not for Trump being reckless and cruel. He bombed Iran, he bombed fishing boats, he kidnapped a leader of a sovereign country, he has built concentration camps and is sending his SS troops door to door.

      You best hope enough wealthy capitalist convince him not to invade Greenland. Because that’s the only reason he won’t. Don’t expect fascist to not take easy “wins” of cruelty to show power when they can.

      Fascist only back down when their capitalist owners tell them to OR when there is a chance they could be resisted and seen as weak.

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    4 months ago

    I keep expecting to hear the twang from csi MIAMI and seeing him remove the glasses in the thumbnail YEAAHHHHHHHHHH

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    Well my guess is, EU and Trump will come to an agreement: EU will spend $$$$ to protect Greenland and US Companies will get resources on Greenland anyway.

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        He’s hardly ever beyond a payoff. His cronies all run the war machine, they make money from conflict or bribery, just not from inaction.